Wednesday, September 17, 2014

Eminent Follies



It has been a convention in India for long. The moment the word “Eminent” gets attached to a person in political domain, it is invariably a license to peddle falsehoods and, in some cases, extreme concoctions of lies. Arun Shourie had to write a whole book called “Eminent Historians” to expose the falsehoods of many Commie historians. Some of these eminent historians also concocted fake stories about Ramjanbhoomi and Ayodhya to the Allahabad HC. Their testimony to the court was largely based on the “Salma-Sabrina” model of fact-checking when they were just quoting each other and had no first hand evidence of a mosque pre-existing at the disputed RJB site. To understand the nonsense of such “eminences” I recommend you understand their techniques of deception:  Babri demolition: How HC verdict discredited 'eminent' historians” by Prof R Vaidyanathan. Our media and establishment had bestowed the title “Eminent” to another celebrity: Fali Nariman (FN). He is known as an “Eminent Jurist” or “Eminent constitutional expert”. One does not dispute his expertise on matters of law and Constitution but even Shobha De is a political expert, so…

The eminent FN recently gave a lecture to the National Commission for Minorities. The Indian Express reported it with the headline “Hinduism losing its benign face… no one at top stepping in”. To clarify, by “top” FN does mean Modi-Sarkar because Hindus otherwise don’t have anyone at the “top”. Maybe Shiva or Vishnu can be considered being at the “top” but Hindus don’t have a Pope or a Grand Mufti to tell them what to do. They are and have been an unorganised lot for ages. It is only in the last century that many Hindu organisations have sprung up but they too don’t constitute the “top”. Here are some samples and interpretations of his speech as reported by IE:

But — recurrent instances of religious tension fanned by fanaticism and hate speech has shown that the Hindu tradition of tolerance is showing signs of strain. And let me say this frankly — my apprehension is that Hinduism is somehow changing its benign face because, and only because it is believed and proudly proclaimed by a few (and not contradicted by those at the top): that it is because of their faith and belief that HINDUS have been now put in the driving seat of governance… We have been hearing on television and reading in newspapers almost on a daily basis a tirade by one or more individuals or groups against one or another section of citizens who belong to a religious minority and the criticism has been that the majority government at the Centre has done nothing to stop this”.

Nariman lauded the role of the Supreme Court in upholding minority rights on many occasions, describing it as a “Super Minorities Commission”. However, he said, the judicial outlook has undergone gradual change since the early 1990s when the BJP introduced the phrase “appeasement of minorities” in the political lexicon… “The label stuck; ‘minority’ became and has become an unpopular word. And after the same political party had included in its Election Manifesto in the general election of May-June 1991 the party’s resolve if and when it came into power to amend Article 30 to the disadvantage of minorities, ‘minority rights’ got less and less protected by Courts (including the Supreme Court of India) than they were before

Firstly, the term “minorities” in India has invariably come to mean Muslims. If at all the NCM or media or any govt speaks for any minority it has always been the Muslims. I have not heard anyone from the establishment speaking for Sikhs. Did you hear anyone screaming about Saharanpur? And that wasn’t under a govt of the Hindu “top”. You don’t hear the NCM or media talking about Jews or Parsis. FN slams his own legal community by stating that the “judicial outlook” changed when the BJP introduced the phrase “appeasement of minority” in the 1990s. So the SC is swayed by political statements? And they sort of prove FN is right, don’t they? This report on the SC’s comment on “Sickular” actions of the Centre suggests so (read report):

The SC has stressed repeatedly on something that the so-called “minority” wages war against. This is from the same report I just quoted: “In the last two decades, the Supreme Court had stressed time and again the importance of enacting a Uniform Civil Code (UCC) as advised by the Constitution. Between the Shah Bano judgment in 1985, Sarla Mudgal judgment (1995) and John Vallamatom verdict in 2003, the court had thrice stressed the need for enacting a UCC, saying it would help forge national integration and remove dissimilarities”. I need not add that the “intolerant” Hindus have been unreasonably demanding this too. The UCC has been advised by the Constitution? Oh! But you see the Constitution doesn’t apply to certain communities who are being oppressed by Hindu fanatics. They have their own “Personal law board” which is superior to the Constitution. The “intolerant” Hindus refuse to see this fact.

The Indian Express drags in speeches of Yogi Adityanath to the context of FN’s speech. It does seem the Yogi has rattled the “Sickular” club. They don’t have any answers to questions he raises but keep referring to his speeches as “hate speech”. For instance, the Yogi consistently mentions rioting by Muslims anywhere, anytime for any reason even when there is no relevance to India but these “eminences” have no answer why. This is an enduring image from the Azad Maidan riots by Muslims:

The rioters destroyed a Jawan memorial, molested five female cops and two people were killed at Azad Maidan in August 2012. And Hindus have become intolerant? For giving speeches which the “Sickulars” judge as hate speeches? In response to the Azad Maidan riots a female cop, Sujata Patil, wrote a harsh, sarcastic poem and she was penalised and accused of fanning “communal hatred”. The “eminent” complainant against her hatred was one Nazar Mohammed Siddique, an accused arrested in the Azad Maidan violence case, who was allowed bail. This is what “Eminent Sickulars” call intolerance; that everyone should stand by and watch the unprovoked violence, destruction of national monuments and shut up. If they speak up, they are branded intolerant.

There is not an iota of truth in anything that Fali Nariman said. It is deception at best to an audience who just wanted to hear exactly the kind of speech he gave. They want that their “victimhood” be encouraged even as they refuse the recognise minority failures. Predictably, the stupid editor of DNA immediately pounced on the opportunity of FN’s folly to splurge on. DNA’s editor makes an interesting observation: “Far from the bogey of minority appeasement that the Hindu Right energetically propagates, a recent report compiled by the DGPs of Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu and Uttar Pradesh warns of a gaping trust deficit building up among Muslims against the police forces”. It doesn’t occur to this editorialist that none of these states have a BJP or NDA govt. TN has never had an NDA/BJP govt. UP hasn’t had one in two decades. Maharashtra has had a Congress govt for almost 15 years. So the folly of this bogus argument is not evident to him. And for all this the “Hindu top management” is to blame? Whichever that is! Also, can this moron editor of DNA explain why the Maharashtra police was a mute witness to Azad Maidan? Or does he blame that on Modi-Sarkar?

What eminent celebrities like FN refuse and fail to recognise is that there is a widespread problem with “appeasement” of minorities (read Muslims) not just in India but in many parts of the world. There is unrest building in parts of UK and Europe. Anti-Muslim sentiment in the USA has peaked now. It is far higher than it was in the days immediately after 9/11:

That is not a poll conducted by Gallup or the “Hindu top”. That’s a poll by the Arab American Institute. How do our “sickulars” explain that? There are no conflicts in India between Hindus and Sikhs, Jews, Parsis, Christians or Jehovah’s Witness. There may have been stray ones in the past. So why is it always a Hindu-Muslim conflict? And if some “Hindu top” is responsible for “communalisation” one should ask the question: Who is the “Muslim top management”? The fact, as Najma Heptullah pointed out sometime back, is that Muslims are not “minorities” in this country anymore. They are no way comparable to other minority communities and in many towns and parts they are actually in majority or sizeable in population.

The recent floods in Kashmir have again revealed a regular behavioural pattern. The Army and NDRF were doing their best to help people and yet there were pockets where the rescue teams were pelted with stones and attacked. Ask our eminent Sickos to explain this behaviour and they won’t be able to. On the contrary, they foist a terrorist like Yasin Malik of JKLF as a “moderate” separatist and he is even reported to have hijacked a boat with food for flood victims. Here you go:

Yasin Malik is a darling at NDTV and other media houses. He is a darling of Commies like Suzy Roy and other Commie politicians. We are supposed to tolerant to such elements? I have to repeat what I posted about Karl Popper’s famous quote a long time ago:

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them… We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.”

That’s all there is to it. People like Shiv Aroor and Gaurav Sawant of Headlines Today are slowly starting to speak. Sickos can lie only so much. They call Yogi Adityanath a hate-monger because he moves around in saffron. In absence of any explanation to his questions they scream “polarisation, polarisation”. Wear a suit and a tie like the Fali Nariman types and get invited to annual lecture circuits and you will be hailed as a “Secular”. Lie long enough and they will prefix your name with “Eminent”. We have seen all of this before.

64 comments :

  1. Great reward after ten days of waiting. Thanks Ravinar.

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    1. Not a reply to you... but for general information for readers:

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    2. Ravinar,

      Is there an e-book available? mainly for NRIs?

      Thanks.

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  2. Actually a much bigger misconception that has been perpetrated over the decades . per our constitution - religion is not the basis for a identifying someone as minority . it is actually language and cultural identity. And given the linguistic organization of states , minorities are those who are people from other states whose mother tongue is different from the language of the state . and it is the responsibility of the state govt to uphold the right of such linguistic minorities and the right to practice their culture. ( and so the need for people migrating from other states into another to register with the respective state govt . )
    So mis conceptions, faulty understanding, deliberate lies repeated by 'eminent distortians' has brought us to this despicable state where fallacies, lies , untruths dictate our public discourse

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    1. you @rightwinger bring an interesting point about considered a minority ( it be based on language or culture ). this is something related about the domicile of a person and here is something http://want2change.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/domicile-for-state-jobs-india/ which govt can do for national integration or do something like http://want2change.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/china-mixed-marriages/ .

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    2. want2change,
      the constitution itself recognises only language and culture as the basis to determine majority/minority in any area of india. So it is not something that i concocted.
      secondly, read both your articles - but not getting the intended end state you are aspiring.
      mixed marriages between hindu and Muslims - hindu women with Muslim men is what love jehad is all about . So why would one want to encourage that ?
      secondly, in case of mixed marriages across language and culture, one language, caste, culture cannibalizes another in most cases.

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    3. In the case of love b/w hindu & muslim, why is that only hindu have to get convert ? They say love is blind, it sees no religion, then why don't both lovers defy/shed their religion and become athiest. But, I know that will never happen. Muslim will never leave its religion, because love-jihad is part of their islamization agenda. By hook & crook(of love), they will make the hindu to change the religion and duffer hindu will do so, because love see no religion(LOL)

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    4. "...love see no religion..." If Muslims are not willing to change their religion, means they never had true love to start with. Sooner the 'duffer' Hindu girls (and Christian girls) understand that, the better.

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    5. @joshipura: not just "girls", boys too. But girls are more vulnerable, prominently because muslims marry 3-4 times and thus they target for them

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    6. @rightwinger just saw your comments 1) end state need to be that one day everybody should considers themselves and others as belonging to INDIA instead of to a particular culture or language or state. Today INDIANs treat people from another state as a burden when one will have parents from different states and grandparents from 4 different states one would have lived through the experiences of 7 different cultures or more than 1 language and at least an effort in trying to understand language, culture of another state and treat them equal ( today in Mumbai non-marathis are treated lesser than locals, similarly in various other states whether in south, north, west or east people from other states are considered to be lesser than locals ). This friction will be reduced a little if people are encouraged to marry outside their state, culture, language, caste, religion.
      2) if marriages between different religions are organised with the family/parents and society's consent there is very less chance of everybody converting to ISLAM, probability is that people belonging to MUSLIM faith will consider themselves part of larger Hindustani,Hindutva or Hindu culture same as in china people professing to ISLAM are having children who consider themselves part of the other culture.

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  3. These sickulars are not tolerant but they have an agenda.If the tolerant have to survive they will have to intolerant towards intolerance

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  4. Wish there are many more voices like Yogi Adityanath.Appeasement which started with MKG,PJN should end.Excellent article!

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    1. Unfortunately, very few voices openly support the TRUTH of Yogi Adityanath! Most of the Hindus just keep quiet, hoping that 'somehow' everything would get resolved!! And that includes the so called 'moderate' muslims who must be petrified even to protest or raise their voice against what they don't believe!!

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  5. Slowly but Surely Ravinar you are creating a whole new lexicon to speak about these Media Crooks, "Salma-Sabrina" model is one such example. Kudos. Keep up the Good Work.

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  6. FN indeed has gotten old.He has forgotten the history of his ancestors in Iran and why they were exiled from their home land and by whom.some one "at the top" in Iran did not care but some one "at the top" in Gujarat [ Sanjan] did care for these persecuted "minority" .
    Now that the by poll results are out, MSM is screaming about defeat of communal politics.Ravinar will have to do a piece on this deluge of analysis and commentaries by "eminent" journos on how wise people of India have decided to return to secularism.

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    1. But then the msm lies and false pripoganda ( on by poll results as also on anything which they can twist, misinterprete, lie ) - is this not as expected ???
      Narendra Modi is ignoring them , but i would have preferred to fix them. Till then we will have to tolerate. We are Hindus. Tolerance is in our blood. Hahahaha.

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    2. All those claiming defeat of communal politics now, never confessed that Lok Sabha election results were a defeat of false secularism.

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  7. Excellent article, wish this eminent theatrics meets its logical death soon...

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  8. Been waiting for your blog on this!

    There is absolutely no question that Yogi Adityanath has rattled these pseudos to the core. He has thus exposed the hollowness of these folks. All he did was reverse the time honoured argument of Hindus should tolerate all kinds of threats and nonsense. The minute, he said, Hindus will retaliate if attacked, all hell broke loose.

    We are always given this crap about "To you your religion and to us ours" is enshrined in Islam. I have heard this crap from "moderates" like Shahid Siddiqui also.I read a Pakistani Jew's tweet yesterday where he was arguing with a usual "moderate" muslim apologist. And he asked the question, would it be acceptable to the Muslim majority, if Hindu temples, Gurudwaras and Synagogues preached that Allah is a scam and Islam is false? Yet this is the kind of nonsense preached by Islam against Hinduism, not just in Muslim majority countries like Pakistan, but also in places like India, which are not declared Islamic states yet.

    Hindus are not just expected to tolerate this nonsense being preached, but also attacks on their festivals, their women, their property, their temples and their whole way of life.

    Dare they raise their voices, then morons like Nariman start talking bullshit. Nariman should realise, he and his entire tribe would not exist, nay prosper, if it were not for the generosity of Hindus. Today Nariman can make such statements only because he is sure he can walk away safely from that conference with angry Hindu reaction limited to a few tweets.

    Here's a limerick dedicated to Nariman:

    There's a Bawa called Nariman
    Who jumped on the secular bandwagon
    Said Hinduism is no longer benign
    And that's a troubling sign
    Although, without it, Bawas would be none!

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  9. Based on Ravinars writing a white paper should be released on the deception of seculars in all aspects of socio politcal ethos of the country exposing the persons behind such fraud perpetuated on the country since last sixty seven years starting from the Nehruvian foisting of Macualey inspired hybrid anti Hindu dictatorship of Congress which led to the marginisation of Hindus and emasculation of entire country
    's pride and self confidence and brainwashing with false socialist notions leding to low rate of economic growth which to rub salt in wound was termed as Hindu rate of growth where as actually should have been termed as Nehruvian rate of growth!
    Of course this exercise would require a dedicated team of intellecuals and experts from academic field to work on this much needed project to be funded by the suitable agency to be completed within shortest period.
    This white paper should once for all demolish the awe and myth of respectabilty of leftist pretenders who pass off themselves with superior hauter as some kind academic genuises,their cloak of respectability should be torn to tatters so that snake oil sellers dare never their voice in the national discourse and all the venues of public be barred to curtail their capability to spread their poison.
    The white paper should be in suitable post modern English with all the high faultin jargon,let us pay them back in their own coin.

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    1. Hindus are marginalized because they allow them selves to be divided, distracted, used, abused, misused by other selfish but slightly oversmart people.
      if one sells oneself cheaply how can one blame others??

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    2. You are spot on! Hindus have to blame themselves! No one else! They are seen as 'cowards' but prefer the euphemism 'tolerant'!!

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  10. Great article Ravinar.I have never commented at mediacrooks.But have gone through almost all the posts over some last months.But i have never seen any of the post exposing the sickularists at Firstpost.Nowadays it has become more like numero uno in the DIVIDE INDIA forces.Every morning there are plenty of lies by third class journalists who under the guise of FP Staff and FP Politics are peddling lies one after another.I think its Time you expose them too.It has become totally nuisance now.

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    1. I have felt the same way. It seems Firstpost became anti-Hindu almost overnight.

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    2. Instead of exposing their anti modi rantings , it would help if BJP ( or some of its more articulate supporters and not the blind ones like niticentral, india tv ) starts a website which counters/exposes the duplicity of every such article ( not just in firstpost but in every mainstream media) plus also showcases the achievements of Modi on a daily basis - that to me would seem an effective solution.
      i am surprised why nobody is even writing on how many hours he puts , how he carries his work everywhere, what differences are happenning, how these are impacting and changing things at ground level, what are the key differences vis a vis UPA in specific quantifiable terms.
      like it or not , unless one showcases sensibly ones achievements ( and not like india tv or niticentral - who come across as very blind poor quality supporters of Narendra Modi ) - there is every chance that some of the muck would stick.
      Narendra Modi or BJP may not be feeling a need to counteract ( they have not started a tv channel despite multiple exhortions from many quarters many times). Atleast this ( a dedicated website with some credibility) has to be done, by some amongst us if we are really concerned about malicious propaganda. Otherwise we too will have to learn to live with it and not allow our bloods to boil or our health get effected adversely.

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  11. Sir, you write what common folk of India wishers to express.The results of ByPolls confuses me though.But with you around,all is not lost,We have found voice

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  12. Nariman speaks a language that the Rotherham council spoke for many years....

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  13. my grandfather was in RSS and he told me the same, he told me that many masjids are used to store weapons and their is rampant radicalisation, he has always said that the media is cleverly funded by Saudi Oil Money and different evangelic organisations and that the Congress president has helped establish various organisations for crucifying India, I also request you to do a religious demographic study and try to aware the common public that in maybe 30 years India may become an Islamic country, the population time bomb is exploding and if a ruthless Hitler like character does not come about, the world will go under sharia law, there is a lot of hypocrisy about moderate muslims, which is nothing but an oxymoron, kashmir was an example from which we have not learnt and Bengal and Kerala are about to go, dont know when the common hindu will accept it and fight for his existence, in my right senses, the church is no different from the jihadis( if you ask a christian about hindus, they will say that hindus are under satans spell and need to be brought to the only true god) so if u see i have no sympathy for the west, as you sow , so shall you get.....

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    1. You are so right! But why doesn't this majority see it coming???!!

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    2. The RSS has always tried to aware the Hindus,but clever congress propoganda has resulted in Hindus feeling that RSS is an extremist organisation, history has been manipulated to make mughals look like benevolent kings, so when a child learns distorted facts, he unknowingly falls trap to fiberal propaganda and he may become a part of that bogey in future and the cycle keeps repeating, this is why fiberals fear that if history is saffronised(sarcasm) it will destroy the social fabric of India..... Frankly speaking I feel that the world is going to be divided into the Islamic block and kaffir block and a great nuclear world war will take place, the creed of religion of peace will then be destroyed......

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  14. during independendence, land mines were planted by mullahs who were not happy the way pakistan was created(are muslims ever happy with anything?), famous masjids were asking people to eat beef before entering the mosques(the RSS sensed something wrong in this ) karsevaks disguised as muslims ate beef and entered the mosques(moral of the story:seedha paudha pehle kat ta hai) and came to know of the malicious plans, PATEL was infromed and thus delhi was saved, NEHRU THE GANDU never allowed the story to come out and thus media cencorship on anything anti muslim continues......

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  15. My earlier post has gone missing/rejected.

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  16. As the late comedian Mehmood used to say: na jaane kahan kahan se chale aate hai. FN and other humbugs preaching even more tolerance to the Hindus! They should be preaching it to the Muslims. More necessary.

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  17. Ravi. Thank you for a great blog. It is sad to see that people who are eminent and respected falling into trap of Jehadis. To me these gals and guys are more dangerous than IS. We need to uproot them and to save our way of life, being threatened by any Tom, Dick and Harry, Hindus should be ready to arm themselves and get ready for epic war between Hindus vs. Badies.

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  18. Ravi, excellent as usual. This "eminent" beings is another form of Salma and Sabrina. Salma calls someone eminent, Sabrina repeats, it then sheela, then Sayara then, Safina, then sheema it goes on and we have eminent every where. What criterion? No one can define! Wow!!!!

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  19. Satirical but fitting response to various 'eminent' persons who have been known to be 'secular' or 'sickular'. IMO, the biggest mistake our 'founding fathers' made was to copy-paste our Constitution from sundry other sources, and NOT having prepared a Uniform Civil Code.

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  21. Except when it is used in relation to a medical doctor /scientist /engineer /teacher, I have always been in abhorrence of this very word "eminent" when prefixed to all sorts of godforsaken asses in our print / electronic media. viz., eminent citizen, social activist, sociologist, historian, political analyst, jurist, philanthropist..... it instantaneously strikes a wrong chord with me.

    Eminence is as eminently dubious a term as Secularism is, in to-day's world..

    Btw, the preamble of our constitution needs a change among others, immediate reversion to "Democratic Republic of India" duly thrashing out the utterly dubious, mischievous words - Socialist & Secular.

    Many thanks to you, Ravinar, for throwing a new light on and providing exacting analysis of a million things that I was hitherto unaware of.
    I hate to call you eminent.
    Yes, you are the only one of your kind!
    My salutations!

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  22. Hindus are sinners, because they have too much tolerance, much more than needed and so much that is making their existence into question. Too much tolerance is a sin too.

    Dharmo Rakshati Rakshitaha, if Hindus don't unite to preserve their Dharma, they cannot continue as Hindus in future. They will be forced to "Convert or Perish" like Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

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    1. Please! Let us not delude ourselves about the 'tolerance'! Hindus are just indifferent and may be 'cowards'!!

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    2. Hindus have given cowardice many different names.Call it tolerance, non violence,liberal,secular or whatever.

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  23. Only difference happened Pre & Post 2014 Election is that Pre-2014 Election MSM wanted to be Congress Darling while Post-2014 BJP wants to be MSM's Darling...

    So in Pre & Post Era of Congress beneficiaries are MSM only!!!

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  24. Dear Jaykumar,

    I don't agree with your conclusion. The actual difference is that earlier the Media was working as a Congi lapdog while now the Modi Sarkar doesn't allow the lapdog to come anywhere near & hence they are getting more & more restless by the day.

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  25. Dear Ravinar,

    The recent By-election results were drooled by the MSM & many fiberals enjoyed free Orgasms for a whole day. So much so that the whole MSM celebrated the re- invented "Blow to Modi - Part II" which they badly missed for past 6 Months or so.

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  26. If any race which should be utterly grateful to Hindus, it should be Parsi race on India. And if any race which should be enormously angry with Muslims, it should be Parsi race of India. I am very surprised that no other Parsi Bawa has come out openly to criticize Fali Nariman.

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  27. I think the constant questioning of the questionable practices of the media with proofs is getting on their nerves. Look at this pointless article in the Hindustan Times:

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/comment/my-hinduism-greater-than-yours-take-it-or-leave-it/article1-1264100.aspx?google_editors_picks=true

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  28. Why aren't there millions of Ravinars?! Obviously, the blog may become redundant, if there were to be so many like Ravinars!! May the tribe of Ravinars increase! Thinking individuals, who speak nothing but the truth!

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  29. Look at this Parsi calling us Hindus intolerant. Why doesn't go back to where his ancestors came from. The Mullas there would have cut his head the moment he opened his mouth. And the as for Eminent FN being “Eminent Jurist” or “Eminent constitutional expert” ask the Kannadigas, Government of Karnataka has been hiring Eminent FN for the last 30 years to represent them in Kaveri & Krishna river water disputes, spending lacks if not corers on him and this moron has not won a single case for them. But hey as you say Ravibhai, even Shobha De is a political expert, so…

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  30. Maybe their is a secret understanding among senior army men on having negligible Muslims in our armed forces........

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  31. Dear Ravinar,

    What I am unable to understand is "Why are BJP workers trying to do an upmanship in raking up their voices on topics of their choice which may not be officially relevant for BJP to gain political mileage ??? Some in BJP are talking on Hindutva while others in BJP are countering him by saying Hindutva cannot be a poll slogan & BJP must focus only on development issues. With so many local leaders fighting over the Hindutva versus Development dispute, the BJP hardly needs the fiberals, Congress & AAP to fight over votes.

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  32. The children will not be allowed to learn about elections and democracy.

    Educators cannot teach nationalistic and ethnic ideology and must instead teach "the belonging to Islam ... and to denounce infidelity and infidels."

    Books cannot include any reference to evolution. And teachers must say that the laws of physics and chemistry "are due to Allah's rules and laws."

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/ISIS-bans-math-sport-social-studies-for-children/articleshow/42734686.cms

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    1. Thank you Ravinar, was waiting and wating for your post.
      Still I kept comming to the site to learn more from messages as I also try to put in some info for the people to find out.
      Please keep it up.
      Please see how hindus have been made happless people in the guise of freedom of speech.
      on first post they keept it at top and then slowly got them off from their webssite.
      http://m.firstpost.com/living/gau-mutra-to-clean-underwear-an-anxious-hindu-parents-guide-to-fighting-love-jihadis-1718309.html
      They think Hindus are ok with whatever goes off as freedom of speech and media liberty. Hieght of it.

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    2. I was so pissed off about these presstitutes. there is no limit to their nonsense being passed of as media freedom.
      Can they write about say islam like this? they were so pissed off when sikhs were attacked in sahranpur.
      I think they are just testing the patience or say taking Hindus for granted,we are all divided so anything can pass off?

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    3. Let me add too, these guys chickened out and suddenly it is not available on thier site, some how I found the link

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  33. For those amongst readers that may be interested in reading hindu nationalist voices , do visit the following blogspot
    http://hinduvoicemumbai.blogspot.com
    Or write to hinduvoicemumbai@gmail.com for free weekly newsletter.

    I came to know about mediacrooks website from an article published in hindu voice . It has a lot of articles ( but most of them would make you angry, bitter, frustrated at the plight of hindus ). one can also contribute articles there .




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    1. Nice Title by Hindu Voice -

      Paritranaya Sadhunam is OK.
      What about Vinashaya Cha Dushkritam?

      Thank you rightwinger for the link

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  34. The present state of Hinduism and Hindus is due to the fact of rootlessness of the elite and preoccupation of the masses with problems of day to day livelihood issues which leaves no scope for the kind of commitment that the followers of other faith like Islam have for their religion,additionally Hinduism is way of life which is laidback and tolerant having no fundamentals which need to be defended fanatically.
    Above factors plus the philosophical foundation of Mayawad,which emphasises the illusionary nature of the phenomenon and everything being impermanent has bred an apathy which does not allow Hindus to take hard stand on any issues,as Al Beruni the famous Arab traveller observed about Hindus"These people are not willing to die for their beliefs but can go on arguing incessantly till night and will go home and start the next morning"

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    1. the Maywad philosophy, which is actually advaita is vedAnta and the world is an illusion is absolute reality. this is propagated by Gaudiyas, Madhva-s and other vaishnava-s in a hateful way. But what they are not saying is that Adi Sankara has accepted three levels of truth. What we see today is empirical reality, true until Brahman is realized. The world as illusion becomes true only for an advanced sAdhaka who can rise beyond guNa-s. Adi Sankara in Tai. Up. 1.11 bhASya explains satyam vada dharmam cara and sub commentaries by Sureshvaracharya and Sayanacharya say that just practicing dharma (vedic rituals) is not enough. One must practice it until one get sufficiently pure inwardly. then these actions are to be renounced, not before.

      dharma smritis, grihya sutras are not at all practiced. I know there are some verses unacceptable today, let them not be practiced, but there are a lot of them that can be practiced. They ask us to defend us and even brahmin can take up arms to defend himself or in case of emergency. Sadly what should be practiced by monks and only a few advanced householders is being taken for granted by laymen.

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  35. Ethnic minority, as Sri Suramanian Swamy defines, is a group that is not of the origin of country that they are living currently. E.g. is Parsis as they have different ethnic origin and so are Jews. However, people practicing Sikhism, Islam, Christianity and other religions today are nothing but converts. So they technically are not ethnic minority even if they are 1 % of total population.

    It is a shame that no is raising these issues and I am glad that Ranveer you and your team are raising them.

    Why Hindu-s always have to suffer even when we give them place to live and allow religion to practice. Instead of being thankful to us, they keep targeting us.

    The argument of 'some muslims' does not stand as their own religion allows violence if many passages are interpreted literally (login on to answeringmuslims.com, click to jihad tab and watch video, watch videos of Robert spencer of Jihadwatch). Like sura 9.29 of koran and many other passages and relavant commentary 'Hadith' by Mohammad himself, who is considered as topmost authority as far as Islam and interpreting Koran / Quran is concerned. I know some people will call them as Islamaphobic, but they are ready to debate so why blame them as atleast a part of community is accepting literal translation, whereas other religions are not accepting the radical / extremist approach which was once prevalent before 1000 years, even though you find violent passage if interpreted literally. There may be alternate interpretations but then, if Jihad is wrongly interpreted then are there any imams or Muslim foundations in the Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and in India, who would run an awareness campaign or conduct de-tox sessions for misguided Muslims who have wrongly interpreted Jihad and are waging a proxy war for Pakistan. On TV anyone will say 'I condemn such attacks and activities', but where is the action? I have heard of one mosque in Canada offering this de-tox program and I have heard of 'myjihad' initiative, but they are not in Muslim countries nor they are in India. ... contd

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  36. The reason why Muslims are targeting Muslims in Syria is because it is said that when Muslims are in majority and topmost position and they are no more dependent upon it's non-muslim allies, then you should either wipe them out or impose Jizia (non-muslim tax) and keep them subdued and do not allow them to practice or preach their religion either in open or even in their own home. This continues until one is converted to Islam and says lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh, muhammadun rasūlu-llāh: There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of God. If one does not act aggressively even though having an upper hand, then, according to Koran, one is a hypocrite, points out Robert Spencer or David Wood.

    The point is we see this in practice even today in Saudi Arabia, the birth place of Muhammad.

    Since Muslims do not accept Idol worship, hence it does not matter if they prayed Namaz at home or in mosque. Shifting mosques should not be a problem.

    If only 'some misguided muslims are brainwashed', then what has the 'major Muslim community' done to stop them? In Pakistan, there are courses against Hindus and India. When UN or similar international watchdog objects, they would remove the chapter from 7th grade school syllabus and would show the revised syllabus to the international regulatory body. What they do not show is that they shift the curriculum, this chapters on hatred to 8th grade. They will only show 7th grade revised syllabus and not of revised 8th grade. (in youtube search - why Pakistani Muslims hate Hindus)

    Just as there is organized crime and terror training, is there any organized attempt by Muslim scholars to counter them. I would be glad to know them.

    We see them protesting attacks on Gaza, but do we see them protesting against Terrorists and Terrorist Organizations? Do we see them come down to streets?

    There are Muslims like Dawoodi Vohras, Sufis and other minority groups within Islam who are historically known for religious tolerance says Subramanian Swamy.

    These are my personal views and I am always open to corrections.

    If Hindus opposed building of mosques or churches, then we could understand that minorities are deprived of their religious rites and seculars fighting for them. In the same way if Hindus objected minorities getting higher education, then it can be objected. But SC and St people are given posts and they are not capable of handling it, then everything will be a mess. sure one needs ST representatives to represent their problems. But other than that there is no need to give others special treatment.

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  37. Just by giving a lecture it does not fulfill the whole purpose. Has Mr Nariman found the reason why this has happened if at all it has happened. Because we have been very generous and tolerant all the dirty acts from being host to Mughals, Britishers and then left to be ruled by them! We were invaded by the likes of Ghaznis, Greeks, and all kinds of people to name few...the list of tolerant incidents go on ...and on and on Like an ad of Amaron Battery!
    What surprises is that Mr. Nariman has forgotten how he and his ancestors were taken care of by Hindus in this land of Secular hindus and treated well.. 
    By remarking that Hinduism is losing its benign face, he is admitting that if at all there is a benign face it is of Hinduism but why is it losing , because the others by their acts are making Hindus lose their tolerance which was there all along! The others are making Hindus suffer. For any kind of incidents, it has become a habit to blame on Hindus. What were you doing when Hindus were butchered by the so called seculars innumerable times in the past? 
    Is there any other nation which is funding for Haj Yatras? Why are we being selective in approach. Time to think impartially of what exactly is happening around us than inciting hatred in the name of secularism and showing Hinduism in bad taste. Minorities are there since ages in India. If they have grown in numbers multifold, it shows that the Hindus are very tolerant! Wake up. Do not give lectures in the name of being a constitutional expert!

    Srinivas M

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