Sunday, February 16, 2014

Free Speech & The Fiberal Farce



Pratap Bhanu Mehta is a very intelligent man. He writes with great insight and thoughtfulness. He probably considers himself a “liberal” too (maybe in the Yogendra Yadav mould) but like most Fiberals he is pretty clever in dumping important ailments to look at the “larger” picture. That is what he does in his article “Silencing of liberal India” (IE February 12) over the withdrawal of a book by someone called Wendy Doniger by her publishers. Here’s one of his opening paragraphs:

Liberal India is being silenced because its joy at exposing hypocrisy is far greater than its commitment to defending freedom. Every time a book is under assault, the same tiresome argument breaks out. “Oh, you did not speak when so and so was banned. You did not speak when Taslima Nasreen was the target, or when Jitender Bhargava was ordered to withdraw his book on Air India.” Or there is the partisan division: you did not object to what the Congress did to Salman Rushdie, or the CPM in West Bengal”.

PBM finds the argument over hypocrisy tiresome not because it is misplaced but because he could be one of the criminals who remained silent. Remember, PBM earlier wrote an article “While we were silent” when what he meant was “I was silent”. Imagine, this same MSM was silent when Jitendra Bhargava’s book “Descent of Air India” was withdrawn just recently. So when they want to outrage, they will tell you “Oh let’s not bring past issues... this is different and this is terrorism” (As Dalyrmple wails). But unfortunately for PBM, it isn’t free speech but the hypocrisy that is the problem. You can write all the crap you want about Hinduism or Hindus but please don’t offend Muslims or Christians, they are touchy secular people. Never forget what a grand Fiberal like Shashi Tharoor said (in a debate with Christopher Hitchens):

1. In the first instance Tharoor narrates a story carried in a Bangalore newspaper about a boy called Mohammad, an “idiot-boy” (No reference or connection to the Prophet as Tharoor confirms) This seemed to have angered muslims who attacked the office and the editor of the newspaper. The editor had to later apologise. Tharoor mentions that even if the article was never intended to refer to Prophet Mohammad, the editor should have been careful enough to avoid misinterpretation and should have been aware that this would cause trouble. Sure, the victim of the violent attacks was wrong and should be the one to apologise. That is freedom of speech according to Tharoor.
2. In the second instance with reference to the Danish cartoons issue, Tharoor continues the same argument. That the Danish paper/cartoonist would have known well the publication of the cartoon would cause a worldwide backlash and should have resisted going ahead with it and exercised restraint. Tharoor strongly maintains that free speech/expression should not be used to hurt anyone. I suppose nobody told this scholar that “consensus” does not require a freedom of speech law.
3. It’s the third issue that is striking. The discussion moves to the M.F. Hussain paintings. Here’s where our happy-tongue minister reveals his true self. He argues strongly that it was Hussain’s freedom of expression for which he should not have faced a backlash. Well, obviously Hussain was so blissfully ignorant that his controversial paintings would cause friction or offend a whole community.

There is nothing wrong in what PBM has written in his article but he follows the same hypocrisy that is epitomised by Shashi Tharoor. This is the same hypocrisy that flows through our MSM. What upsets all these Fiberals is that the Doniger book-withdrawal didn’t happen with riots or violence but through a legal process. I haven’t read her book but from a few excerpts here and there I am certain she broke Indian laws of respecting religious beliefs and values. The MSM talks a lot about free-speech but what they mean is they want it only for themselves and not for others. If that wasn’t the case they would have protested all the bogus laws in India that restricts free speech.

This is a country that has banned pornography and even Adult toys; you think people will tolerate abuse of religion? It is just that some Hindu group, instead of agitating, rioting and burning shops, resorted to a democratic, legal process that has upset the Fiberals. They would have been happier if there was violence so they could sing their song of “saffron extremists” and “evil Hindutva”. Swapan Dasgupta calls it rightly when he states that the media and some Fiberals were desperately trying to link the Doniger issue to the rise of Modi or the rise of Hindutva. You know, like the case has some direct link to Modi’s campaign. The Commie Fiberals have a particular problem with anything remotely critical of Islam and that is why the Hindus have started retaliating to Hinduism-abuse. The Hindus have long tolerated nonsensical writings like those of Doniger and are now reacting using the same laws that are actually being used to suppress any criticism of Islam. This is simply the root of the problem otherwise who cares what trash Doniger or someone else writes. Oh wait! I’m wrong there, someone does care. It is usually the “White-Christian” Doniger types who write trash and are given awards by the likes of Indian Express or some other organisation.

If you are anti-Hindu you will find more space in the MSM. Those who cry for free-speech over the Doniger issue are lying hypocrites. Jitender Bhargava’s book had nothing to do with religion. The publisher withdrew the book just because one man (Praful Patel) was offended and threatened them legally and the media didn’t even bother to find out which parts offended him. The book dealt with the scams and misdeeds of Air India. Yet, our Fiberals didn’t bat an eye-lid because the “victim” was their darling Praful Patel. Some media houses in particular would like the book burned because they were the beneficiaries of scams in Air India. Consider the fact that Doniger’s book offended a whole community and also broke the law and the evidence is out in the open. Bhargava’s book offended only ONE man and there is no evidence the book said anything illegal or defamatory. Did the media examine this? Here’s what the emotional bimbo tweeted:

When convenient she brings in Ma Saraswati and such nonsense for a bogus argument. Like I said in the tweet, the book was not withdrawn to respect Hindu sentiments. The book was withdrawn because Penguin knew their case was weak and they had broken Indian laws and knew the price they would have to pay. Are our laws stupid? It is these same laws that were used in the famous “Calcutta Petition” to prove that the Quran instigated violence and hatred and should, therefore, be banned. The petition was dismissed not because the contention was wrong but that the book was religious and there was a time-bar. These same Fiberals were thrilled when Wharton cancelled an interaction by Narendra Modi. These same Fiberals cheered when Harvard cancelled courses of Subramaniam Swamy after he wrote a provocative article. On the same topic of Swamy’s article here’s what was transacted by a MoronRatna called Dipankar Gupta on the predominantly anti-Hindu channel CNN-IBN and Rajdeep Sardesai watched like a fool:


So Dipankar Gupta’s argument against Swamy’s article was that summer-school teaching isn’t “top of the tops”, implying Swamy was a “faaltu” teacher. What has that got to do with his freedom of speech? Ha! But a personal attack passes for an argument. And he makes an even more absurd statement “Swamy has the right to his opinion but NOT the right to be published”. So according to this Commie Fiberal only those opinions should be published which are acceptable to morons like him. And these are the guys who will sermonise on what should be published and what should not. Dipankar Gupta, the intolerant, is a frequent flyer on CNN-IBN and other channels. That should tell you what these idiots really think of free speech: “We should have it but you Hindus don’t deserve it”. It took a long time for SwapanD but he finally acknowledged that our media only uses these incidents to heap more abuse on Hindus and Hinduism even as both remain the most tolerant among all religions of the world:

What upsets these Fiberals is that the Hindus aren’t suffering this nonsense anymore. Because the Islamic extremists take to the streets and protest everything that hurts them the Hindus have started retaliating. Remember the Danish cartoons and bounty offered by an SP MLA? Remember Azad Maidan? Remember extreme pseudo-atheist Javed Akhtar wanting a female cop jailed just because she wrote a poem? Now, by the standards of NDTV, CNN-IBN, Barkha Dutt, Dalrymple, Rajdeep and all… Javed Akhtar is a secular free-speech lover. As long as the hypocrites exist in our society free speech will not flower. People like PBM wail like injured hyenas in cases like the Doniger issue but refuse to speak up against other incidents and draconian laws like 66A. If you don’t protest and seek the removal of bogus laws it will invariably come to be smartly used against you. Next time, they should save this Fiberal farce and look inward and see how much they actually hate free speech. And yes, of all people, even Barkha Dutt continues to claim she respects free speech. The Fiberals missed the irony somewhere. 


85 comments :

  1. Barkha respects freedom
    ha ha ha ha

    irony died in millions!!!!!!!!

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  2. This is a gem, please do a postmortem on Arvind Crazywall & kindly give us your predictions on what he is going to try in the coming months, they are far more accurate than Nostradamus as far as our political space is concerned!

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    1. What can he do apart from doing DHARNAS. paida hone se pehle bhi dharna kar leta to logon ko aaj ye din nahin dekhna padta

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  3. Thanx Mr. MC for a superb one, again. You as usual made a mincemeat of all the hypocrisies of the MSM and self-certified intellectuals. That too with their own past deeds. Have a nice Sunday!!!!

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  4. I was waiting for your take on the Wendy issue...Thanks!

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  5. Excellent as usual. These so called liberals are most dishonest intellectually

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  6. Excellent sir .No one would have given this trash a damn if remotely also there werent any chance to link this to the rise of MODI

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  7. The same female C5M saggy ghose "The goose keeper of Anti-Hindus" wanted 2 re-write the vedas.Wat was this bloody lady thinking of herself.Prob wit d Hindus are we r too torelent about anybody bashing abt our religion.

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  8. Another brilliant,factual article demolishing the tribe of Fiberals/MSM/Psedos...from you.Have reached a situation where we look forward to your articles on all the imp topics ...Thanks

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  9. You are a true nationalist Ravinaar.

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  10. Who reads Indian Express in India anyway? DO they have 1lakh + circulation in any city of India? Journalism of courage long ago becomes journalism of cowards.
    Educated people of India never believe in such cowardice except JNU morons intellectual class.
    I think one more important aspect is to free India from Left - Gandhi - Socialist thought, is to throw away history books written by JNU school of morons such as Irfan Habib, Ram Guha etc etc.
    In Bengal we observe that after Paribartan Mamta Banerjee never tries to seriously dismantle the Jadavpur University bunch of left morons thought process. Instead these fake intellectuals are now taking shelter under TMC's umbrella. That means process that distort free thinking is not changing at all.
    In Delhi the same thing is happening. Look at this AAPtards. It is the offspring of the same school. This phenomena which rule our country since independence will destroy the very fabrication of this country one day if not restricted unambiguously by the sane political thoughts.
    NaMo is standing on the threshold. Trail courts are not be judging him this time beyond May 2014. He is attacking this Fiberal philosophy ever since 2002. But the real challenge is how serious he be to dismantle this thought process and shunted the propagators OF THIS THOUGHT PROCESS from the policy making is something that will be the evaluator of his responsibility in the long run. Atal Behari Vajpayee or Lal Krisna Advani both never tried to fight against this class instead after reaching at top office they tried to get popular amongst this fiberal class. Even I don’t think Sardar Patel also did enough to defeat this evil intellectual FORCE. Only Syamaprasad fought to his last breath. Many Bengalis still believe that Mookerjee was poisoned by Neheru in Kashmir. I am not sure. There is no evidence left only imagination.
    Surely in coming days we will see how sincere Mr. Modi is to free India from its biggest evil since independence.

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    1. Very true.ABV and LKA tried to win approval of the JNU skunks . Murali Manohar Joshi tried , but was not allowed to accomplish.

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    2. I think BP govt should start an university which focuses on research study related to our history, culture and tradition. This can act as counter to the leftist JNU etc.

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    3. I think BP govt should start an university which focuses on research study related to our history, culture and tradition. This can act as counter to the leftist JNU etc.

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    4. This should have come from Banaras Hindu University. They are busy giving degrees for profession of Purohits in Sanskrit Bhavan. I had gone there in search of research publications on classics. Couldn't find any.

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  11. Great article as always! You have rightly pointed out free-speech is a two-way street. Hopefully,(someday) "truth" will also find its rightful place in this discourse regarding "free-speech", ELSE Fiberals & their ilk, will continue with their filth.

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  12. Very well presented and it's high time we Hindus stop taking lying down all the crap...

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  13. Ashok Malik, the journalist, says that the Penguin publishers had only a few copies of The Hindus left with them. So it was a smart move to withdraw the books and incur a small loss than to go for expensive litigation.

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  14. Had been thinking about MF hussain ouster for quite sometime but for recently had started thinking what would have happened if he had started drawing gods of other religions in the same fashion. I dont have to think too much as salman rusdie and his books are enough to prove. But having said it is sad to see books getting banned, everyone should have the right to exercise the right to freedom of thought and right to publish it. Anways INDIA as country has a long way to go.....

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    1. My man, what is your take on writing and publishing dirt and slander?

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    2. Who is one to judge what is dirt and slander?, the best books i have read were banned once, few i can remember are "Catcher in Rye", "Grapes of wrath and some from DH Lawrence", "Grapes of wrath" was publicly burned by citizens. I cant comment on "THE HINDUS", because i have not read it, nor do i intend to, but some may want to. Let the individuals com template on what to believe and what no to.

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    3. @Rajan Ganu,
      As long as the dirt and slander is published in a book, I have the full right not to open the book. I have full right to stop and throw away the book the moment I come across something unpalatable. Hence writing/publishing dirt-n-slander-n-filth is perfectly okay.
      Do you agree? If not, why not?

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    4. In all walks of life freedom is not unlimited. We have laws to limit our freedoms for the greater good. The so called advanced western nations also have made hate speech etc a criminal offence. since the danish cartoons unlimited freedom has come to an end. This US writer knew the consequences of what she was doing. Thank god the followers of sanatan Dharma did not burn,loot,kill . Some just went to court as it seems Indian laws were broken. That is a mark of a civilized people.

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    5. In all walks of life freedom is not unlimited. We have laws to limit our freedoms for the greater good.
      > Very true. However, most of the times freedom is curtailed too prematurely.

      The so called advanced western nations also have made hate speech etc a criminal offence.
      > So called 'western' nations indeed allow more FoE than India, but they are not perfect, yet. I won't base my values blindly on western-nations.

      since the danish cartoons unlimited freedom has come to an end. This US writer knew the consequences of what she was doing.
      > What do you think about the danish-cartoon-episode? Was it good? Bad?

      Thank god the followers of sanatan Dharma did not burn,loot,kill . Some just went to court as it seems Indian laws were broken. That is a mark of a civilized people
      > YES, it was fortunate that nobody was burnt or looted or killed. No doubt it was a civilized form of protest. But these fiberal scumbags protest in a civilized manner too and that does not make me like them. I would have really liked it if the book was objected with a book. Regarding Indian laws, do you support all the laws in their present form?

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  15. Once Modi takes over, I dearly hope that he dismantles Nehru-Gandhi-Socialism-JNU 'branded' teachings of Ravan Guha, Romilla, Javed etc. Vajpayee fell in the trap on becoming the PM and tried hard to look like the first cousin of Nehru the Liberal...have great hopes on our NaMo

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    1. Too much to expect. He had his task cut out - to manage the filth being leftover by MMS and Chindambaram

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    2. Dear Praveen,

      Although I agree NAMO has his task cut out, but I still think he will make sure the IBN's & NDTV's pay dearly for their sins by bleeding them softly through various channels, cutting into their dollar & dinar earnings & investments. I hope you get the point I am trying to make.

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    3. I think vajpayee was a confused person when it came to defending hinduism and follow his principles although he was one of the best PM's that India had.
      Otherwise how could you explain his famous speech of "Rajdharma" on Modi.
      This very speech is being used by our media morons till date to defend themselves and show that Modi was wrong.
      And when you listen to his Lucknow speech before the Babri masjid demolition, you are mesmerised by his articulate.
      His government withdrew the Go-Hatya (Cow Slaughter) bill before it was tabled in parliament.
      So I think he was a man of contradictions.
      He could have done well had he followed RSS's ideology.

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    4. The "Rajdharma" speech on Modi is exploited by differentiating it from collective judgement to personal vindication. What Vajpayee said then, can be said to any CM by a PM of substance. And that does not mean Vajpayee was admitting the "crime of Modi" and blamed him which the MSM or Cong backed NGOs are interpreted over the years. Vajpayee told Modi to impartially manage the situation as you are the guardian of the people. We can further interpret this like Vajpayee cautioned Modi to be strong and tackle the situation.
      The message is very clear. In today's context current PM Manmohan Singh should have utter the same kind of words to UP CM Akhilesh to restrict and prevent the Muzaffarnagar violence. But he did not. That means he even not recognised that a riot is taking place in Muzaffarnagar under his regime and by his blackmailed ally. The Teestas and Sharmas and CBIs and NGOs nobody is there to take on the SP govt. Instead Rahul Gandhi said relief camps are terrorist infected. At least he might remind Mulayam about the Rajdharma. But is not even inside the 100 km radious of Vajpayee status.
      I wonder after so many debates and actual database that Gujrat riot is one of the rarest of rare occasion when a State Govt. fought with the rioters head on and do justice to the both communities. Never ever in India one govt. get rid of such kind of most dangerous situation so quickly and so strongly. But the irony is nobody, even the most neutral person in this country ever lauded Modi for that.
      “90% of Indians are fool” – a comment that was in the headline some days ago. Spare the man who told it, whatsoever he is; there is more substance in what is being said than the man itself!

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  16. back 2 back fabulous articles based on facts..it's like a slap on d face of fiberals and hindu haters..everytime these imported chamiyas try 2 play victim , u come up with something that exposes their lies and hypocrisy..u hit where it hurts more..given a wish 2 these gandus in MSM , they wld like 2 see u dead bcoz u r d one making them uncomfortable..live long aur inki pungi bajate rahiye ga..thnk u

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  17. Hahahahaha..." MoronRatna".....sir please have a poll on whom should we awared this to :D , just like worst journalist poll :D

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  18. I agree that the MSM should apply the same yard stick for such controversies surrounding other religions. But the larger issue here is we Indians regardless of the religion are a bit too sensitive when it comes to topic of sex in religion in any way. I have not read the book yet, and I would like to read it and this book may have distorted the accepted beliefs of Hindus but c'mon it is a fact and historical truth that before mughal and victorian rule over Indian subcontinent, we were to a large extent sexually liberal society with a positive outlook towards it. So why make such a big fuss over it.
    If anyone is taking this as an opportunity to bash hinduism in general then screw them, I ignore their BS. But personally I do not think that the book should have been banned. Penguin should have gone to higher courts to battle it out..

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    1. You have some valid points. But, the issue is not whether or not Indian society was sexually liberal before the victorian mores strangled, but, what effect such "scholarship" as pornuced by wendy has. There is no problem if the sexual aspects of the society are brought out, as our scriptures ask us to follow dharma, artha, kaam, moksh for establishing our karma. Please note that kaam (desire, not sex) is one of the pillars and accordingly sutras have been written on all these pillars.

      I haven't read wendy's pornuce, but what I gather from rebuttals by the likes of Rajiv Malhotra, is that she writes about Hindu dharma through the lens of sexuality alone. Everything she writes is colored with sexual tones. One can say she has freedom to expression and all, but my problem with such expression is that these lies will slowly get embedded into Indian psyche as truth if not contested and tomorrow's generation will grow as self doubting, self loathing one. From that point of view, I feel it is important that such distortion be not allowed.

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    2. Kapil, even if what you are saying is true, the aim of the likes of Mr Batra is to ensure that such books are completely banned in India. I have a serious problem against that. If you do not agree with something or even if it is downright false, Mr Batra could have written a rebuttal of it. He could have debated it in open space. I saw the kind of arguments he was putting forward on NDTV, it was his singular view of Hinduism and in no way means that any book should be banned.

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    3. Completely agree with Neehar. Fiberals deserve the hate and scorn. HOWEVER, another book is being taken out of circulation. I do not care whether pulping is technically different than banning. This is a setback of freedom-of-speech, albeit achieved in a non-violent and legal way.

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    4. First things first. The book wasn't banned. It has been in publication since 2010. Only after the publisher realised that the book was factually wrong they decided what they decided.

      Secondly, as someone else also brought out, it was alright if it was a work of fiction. This claims to be scholarly work that can have thought altering effect.

      Thirdly, if we as a culture have to accept scholarly work, why should it be on guidelines laid down by Messrs william jones and dubois? Why should the scholars not use guidelines laid down by Indians themselves to take a critical and scholarly look at what is. Indian scholars have used these methods with success to provide a critical look at Itihaas.

      Last but not the least, what is to decide free speech and how it hurts? I remember a story from my class six book. It narrates about a gent who used to go to a crowded market revolving his walking stick in air. This used to cause discomfort to others. One day, one guy asked this gent why he was revolving the walking stick. The gent replied that this was his freedom. The questioner said that the freedom ended where the questioner's nose started. I feel this or some similar logic must be behind article 15 when read with Section 153, 153A, 295A, 298, 505(2) of Indian Penal Code.

      Here is what Mr Batra has to say http://world.time.com/2014/02/12/sex-lies-and-hinduism-why-a-hindu-activist-targeted-wendy-donigers-book/

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    5. Thanks for your reply and the link. I will go through the link shortly. Before that a few replies based on your comments itself:
      My yardstick of freedom-of-expression (FoE) does not depend on the book being textbook or fiction. I believe fiction can be a seriously thought altering book too (Fountainhead by Ayn Rand).
      Your anecdote about man-with-stick is superb. My freedom ends when I start poking other's nose. That is why I will not let Doniger read the book in front of my house on a loud-speaker. That is why I will not let an offensive Husein painting getting displayed on an open bill-board or hoarding. HOWEVER a book or a closed-door-exhibition should be perfectly fine.
      I am looking forward to your thoughts on the issue.

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    6. Well, Mr Batra has a right to his views and he has exercised that right in a democratic fashion by going to court and demanding a ban on that book. Penguin's editors should have shown courage and challenged the ban. In my opinion matters of religion may not always be "facts" as you say in your first point. (And that is regardless of the religion btw). Whether Mr Batra's interpretation of Hinduism is correct or not is a different issue altogether.

      Regd your second point, as Sambaran pointed out there are ample such examples in the history where fiction has a long lasting, thought altering effect on the mankind in positive and negative ways.
      Regarding your 3rd point, nobody is saying that we should accept only Jones's work as scholarly. Certainly nobody is saying that we need to base our future research based on her work or that we need to discredit research done by Indian historians. Also it is not so much the nationality of a scholar that is important here, any scholarly article/treatise/book can be and should be subjected to critical assessment and debated regardless of who its authors are. Some people here are accusing Jones of having an ulterior agenda which I really think is a bit of figment of their imagination.

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    7. You are totally entitled to your views sir, as I am to mine. Regarding facts/fiction/myth, here are few from the book:

      Pages 468-469 -The mosque, whose serene calligraphic and geometric contrasts with the perpetual motion of the figures depicted on the temple, makes a stand against the chaos of India, creating enforced vacuums that India cannot rush into with all its monkeys and peoples and colors and the smells of the bazaar.
      Page 571- It is alleged that in a hymn from Saint Kshetrayyas poetry, God rapes the women devotees.
      Page 450- It is claimed that Emperor Ala-ud-Din Khalji did not sack temples in Devagiri.
      Page 459 - King Ala-ud-din Husain of Bengal patronized Saint Chaitanya.
      Pages 537-538 - The Sikh teacher Guru Govind Singh was assassinated in 1708, while 'attending Emperor Aurangzeb'.
      In her book, Hindu Deities are presented as lustful, Hindu Saints are falsely alleged by the author to have indulged in sexual orgies, or to have 'taken actions against Muslims', Hindu worshipers are compared to cheating boyfriends, intoxication is a central theme of the Vedas and Hindu scriptures are presented as a litany of tales of faithful women forsaken by their ungrateful husbands. One wonders if these caricatures of Hinduism really reflect the authors own life rather than the culture and traditions of Hindus. Doniger claims to 'love' Hindus or their culture in her book, but this claim appears quite bizarre, perverse and frightening.

      Complete rebuttal, page wise, chapter wise, can be found here. In fact there are many who have refuted her writing, I am only quoting one:
      http://vishalagarwal.voiceofdharma.com/articles/thaah/

      Please do read this interview of Rajiv Malhotra on rediff. It's pretty lengthy one:

      http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-when-westerners-make-fun-of-our-gods-theyre-instigating-trouble/20140217.htm#1

      Something I thought I must pick from this interview is quoted:
      "The thing is that every religion gets criticised. But other religions are where they are producing people who are very qualified to represent their own religions and therefore these seminary products become scholars and they get launched in different universities for support. For Hindus, they never set up a seminary."

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    8. Kapil I will definitely go through the interview and will try to read the excerpts from the book. thanks for sharing that information.

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  19. http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-right-centre/no-free-speech-in-india/309203?h_also_see
    Excellent view point by Pavan Verma on NDTV's Left, Right and Center. FF to 7:53
    I think he succinctly puts what Hinduism's legacy is. Do watch it

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    1. http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-right-centre/no-free-speech-in-india/309203?h_also_see....

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    2. i just watched the video on left,right and central....they sigled out batra..no one is supporting him,he has to fight with all the participants..they keep on repeating,batra banned the book....the book was not banned, infact penguin removed the book itself...looks like its a propaganda by ndtv....nidhi razdan sucks

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    3. Bharath, I watched the program too. Each participant there stuck to their view point. Whats wrong with that if they do not agree with Batra. And you are forgetting that Batra demanded a ban on the book. Penguin caved in and chose to settle it out of court. The organization that Mr Batra is associated wanted that ban, so dont say that Batra did not want the book banned. Pavan Verma's analysis of the whole issue was admirable.

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  20. Great article. Even after all these years of exposure, I still haven't been desensitised to the brazen, shameless hypocrisy and mendacity these scumbags demonstrate on a daily basis. They don't even attempt to make their efforts at deception particularly veiled or sophisticated, such is their audacity.

    It truly boggles the mind.

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  21. Good one. Just as usual.
    One point though, Wendy Doniger is Jewish and not Christian.
    Keep up the good work.

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  22. with every right comes responsibility. some of the quotes from the book are extremely hurtful to hindus and if some hindus exercised their legal rights good for them. if wendy doniger is a scholar then dipankar whatever is a sane man and sagarika is not a category 5 moron - to borrow your connotation.

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  23. Wendy donniger and Harappan horse which was demolished by Mr.Rajaram is known. I think this book and the court case is intentional. By the way most of the Christians do not bother if you call anything in Bible in a perverted way. I do not think Christians indulged in violence even if they do not like the da vinci code etc.You must be also honest with yourself when you talk about violence. I fully endorse your analysis about the general prescription of Indian media.

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    1. Oh yeah... Christians do not indulge in violence... They indulge in something which is much more than that... It is called Conversion...

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    2. Chrisitianity itself is a fake religion and the dec 25 is a pagan festival converted to christmas.....The most violent religion on par with islam is christianity which killed millions of so called deity worshippers and forced many of them to christianity....The religion which many agree was itself derived from mithraism and i wont go into the religious book bible which claims earth formed 6000 years ago!

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    3. Yet, our Fiberals will lick the shoes, and what not, of White Gods and Dollar throwing Sheiks. It is true that Macaulay Putra/Putris are lost soul and their salvation is just to disappear ASAP. They can never change.

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    4. Conversion by inducement in any form is a human rights violation. It is a tragedy that India is being ruled by foreigners and its intellectual forum is ruled by left leaning hindu hating cabal.

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  24. As I understand The Hindus is not a work of fiction. If it is an academic book, it should pass the academic rigor. Apparently Penguin thinks it does not pass the muster, and that is why they agreed to pulp the book. If it is a work of fiction any amount of psycho analysis and erotica is fine. After all a civilization that has withstood, Mughal, British, French, Portugese rule can easily withstand Wendy. Guys who are experts in English should be able to understand this before whining.

    BTW any one who professes one God, one path to salvation, one ideology, can never be a liberal. A liberal is one who can even accept another person's view point even if it is against his/her beliefs(the synonym is unprejudiced). None of the "Lintellectuals" fit the bill. Period.

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  25. Bharat will keep on producing educated fools until the english education and british written books are getting taught in the schools, as long as we have a english mindset, many educated fools will be there! Bharat should implement sanskrit and make english a minor language if not banned completely!

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    1. JNU and similar institutions have to go.

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  26. Thanks a lot Mr MC for helping me in defending/arguing with the pseudos of the society.More power to you.

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  27. Here we are talking about Islam and Hinduism only. But I distinctly remember a documentary about the "Missing Years of Jesus". It pointed out that hypothesis is during those years, Jesus spent his time studying and learning about Vedic thought process and traditions which had a vast influence on his thinking. The documentary vanished in thin air because it was vehemently opposed by devout Christians.

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  28. After a long gap a hard hitting blog. I was watching Left Right Center when they were debating about the withdrawal of the book " The Hindu", Nidhi argued that why can't they counter the book by writing another book. Then according to her logic Barkha instead of sending legal notice to a blogger who exposed her conduct during 26/11 she should have written a counter blog. Same goes with NDTV's recent legal notice to Madhu Kishwar.

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    1. In other words if someone rapes ones sister, go and rape the rapist's sister, but dont make criminal cases.

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  29. Till the last time that I heard about book ban and protest, I remember Fiberals allowed the democratic idea of legal remedy as apposed to street fights and protests.Now that option too seem to have evaporated.Fiberals are definitely on the fast lane.Shifting goal posts to suit the occassion.Today the whole uprising or aversion to these books atleast by Hindu groups are not bcz of religious intolerance but due to the hypocrisy of the fiberals with regard to desert faiths.The day they discuss this hypocrisy ,the so called intolerance will die a natural death. But in none of the media debates this point finds a mention bcz they know that this will bring down the whole edifice of their argument. It was annoying to see the fiberal gangs in NDTV ( left, right centre) silently pooh poohing while the Hindu rep was making his point. These were only the ones with PC when God almighty was distributing intelligence.

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  30. you have very neatly shown how the so called liberals have been hypocritical of free speech. but may dare ask is there no responsibility of the right wing to strive for free speech? or only liberals need to do that coz they go about tomtomming the issue?

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  31. Ravinar,
    Nice Article. Made me wonder why it took so long for you to react. In any case, we see a refreshing change where atleast some Hindu intellectuals have started questioning this western academicians who proclaim themselves as 'Hindu experts'.

    Secondly, You did the right thing in taking on that charlatan name pratap bhanu mehta. You see we do not need to take up and expose the hypocrisy of C5Moron or Rajdeep or even barkha since we knew their bias. The problem is about exposing guys like Pratap who assume liberal (real liberal) but cut from the same cloth of pseudo-seculars. Equally, they are enough wile to take insurance for the crap they are about to write. PBM starts his article saying "liberalism" is lost due to our anxiety to expose other's hypocrisy (that is left and right hypocrisy) and to present himself as the true liberal. But I will Bet that he won't be writing any articles against the marauders of salman rushdie. Sometime Actions speak more than words and this is true to PBM. I have more respect for Sardesais than these charlatans like Pratap Bhanu mehtas. I hope you write about swaminathan aiyar too, he has constantly pervaded into secular space from economic space and the hypocrisy seems to be the same.

    Finally, We should write more about online newspapers itself and to take on their ideas like 'The Hindu' or kafila. Eventually more people and opinion makers are slowly moving to social media. I think your first phase is about to be completed with Congress decimation and BJP rise (no way suggesting that you have an agenda).
    But most of the sh*t peddled in MSM is from online journals itself.

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  32. Am i to believe that somebody has finally woken up and launched the 'SUDARSHANA TV', Jai Ho

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  33. Hi Ravinar - a very good one indeed. I hope you would have seen the debate on NDTV on 16 Feb where Varadharajan and several others were somehow desperately trying to put down one guy (a Keralite) who was speaking in defence of Hinduism and the action of Dinanth Batra who filed a case against the book saying it was entirely within his right to take a legal recourse which was entirely peaceful and democratic. We even had a curios case of Soli Sorabjee trying to say that the guy is not entitled to even seek a legal remedy because he was biased or communal or something like that ! The NDTV moderator as usual was so slanted to one side that I thought that she might fall off her chair any moment. It is just and indication of how much the poisonous commie ideology has pervaded the MSM. We need more and more articles like this from people like you.

    Thanks

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  34. Right.Imagine their plight or delight if Hindu organisations had come out in the streets to seek a ban.If at all these fliberals have problems, they should approach Penguin to fight it out.Penguin is in the business of making money through publishing.It is not here to protect any values.Its lawyers must have advised him that the content can send them to jail or invite huge monitory penalties.Reason why they decided to pulp the "pulp fiction" .
    Enjoyed your term "MORON RATNA" who could be their "MORON RATNESHWAR" ?!

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  35. hanks Ravi for another brilliant article.

    Don't want to read this book. It's better that it should be dumped.

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  37. once gain hitting the bulls eye!!!

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  38. doniger, headley and many others with similar greatness(!!!) have one thing common. they all are or were very close to langley virginia.

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  39. Free speech for common men makes no sense when MPs in parliament were blacked out from public. Shame on BJP the party with grade-A assholes. Why this posturing for months when they are ready to pass the bills in dark rooms instead of legislative houses ? Only possible explanation is Advani was caught red-handed in some sexual act. And congress has full evidence of the same.

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  40. Dear Ravinar, Let me try to underline where you have gone wrong in your analysis. First I must applaud the positives. The hypocrisy in certain sections of media for not crying foul has been well pointed out. You also did well to highlight Swapan Dasgupta, when you say that this is not related to emergence of Modi. Now let's come to your misses
    1. You are clearly wrong in lumping Christianity and Islam together as far as reacting to any criticism is concerned. As late Christopher Hitchens pointed out, Islam takes a final stand with Mohammed as final prophet and the holy book as final word. That still can be lived with if a modern day humanitarian interpretation of Quran is allowed to thrive. Unfortunately the fundamentalists have had their way especially in India with politicians playing the appeasement politics. But that's not the case with Christianity. Take an example - Da Vinci Code and Satanic Verses. The former is a lighter variety of fiction while latter is a dense one, which very few would have read. There were protests against both, but it was too feeble in case of former with little effect. As we know it went to become a blockbuster movie as well. And this is just one example. For long, criticism, ridicule and satire have been directed at Church with occasional protests, that too without any effect.
    2. Another thing that you missed is the nuance of factual inaccuracies and potentially offending material. While I am all for banning a book in first case (it won't be banning a book, but merely asking the publisher/author to either prove their point or correct the text), there is simply no reason that we should give in to second one. That's where Indian law is actually "stupid" as it supports the vanity of all these people getting offended. The famous example of M F Husain’s nude paintings comes to my mind. Of course the idiots in Shiv Sena have no idea about the Hinduism. If they had, they would burn down each piece of Kalidasa's Kumarshambhav because of its portrayal of Shiva-Parvati's love life. I guess you must have heard the famous folklore about this book, as per which Parvati cursed Kalidasa that he will never be able to complete this book because he so candidly described her love life. It's a fact that latter parts of the book is not written by the great poet himself. Of course these idiots have no idea about the worshipping of a phallus and vagina. A religion where the creator, Brahma, lusted after his own daughter, king of gods Indra seduced Ahilya, wife of a famous sage and a woman with five husband is considered sati certainly can withstand nude images. Coming back to my original point (sorry about the digression), I am not aware of the exact grounds on which "descent of air India" but if it's not on ground of inaccuracies then it just supports the view that we have a "bad" law.
    3. Then let me come to the biggest blunder you made. And that is the line - "Consider the fact that Doniger’s book offended a whole community". Really Mr Ravinar. I am sure that more than 95% of Hindu hasn’t even heard of this book before the controversy. This book was meant for select readership and supposedly the whole community read it and got offended. Now that we know that there is a law in Indian constitution that is stupid (and this is certainly not the only one) we can see that why Penguin chose to withdraw it. Had it been for mere factual inaccuracies, I am sure they could have tackled it better. (It's simple business sense. After such a controversy if they can publish it at all with some correction, they would be salivating at the prospect of all money to be made. But alas, it doesn't go beyond your imagination.) It's the interpretation of potentially offending material that kills the bird. Since I am aware of how this protest was communicated to larger audience (one communication apparently claimed that Krishna is sitting on nude buttocks of ladies), I have valid reasons to suspect the motive behind the case and protests.

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  41. 4. Also, don't paint all the liberals with same color. I remember the protests in Calcutta when Taslima Nasrin's book was banned. The point about opposition in criticizing Islam is also made in some articles that I have read, so not all journalists have forgotten their duty.
    5. Now let me attempt to link it with Modi. Of course I fully agree that this case has nothing to do with him. But you must know very well that RSS supports Shiksha Bachao Samiti. And then BJP has such allies like Shiv Sena. It is very plausible that once Modi is in power, these agents would feel much more strengthened and invigorated and we will see more of such acts. Even though I am likely to vote for Modi, I am saddened at this possibility. Who knows Ramdev will open a clinic to force every gay person to be treated. Just to make it clear once again, Modi isn't a cause of this incident now, but has tremendous potential to be one for such incidents in future.)
    6. Many have already pointed out to you that Wendy Doniger is not Christian but Jewish. For someone with great eye for details, it's really surprising that you missed this altogether. But hasn't it been convenient for you to miss this? After all there exists no narrative for Jewish people maligning Hindu religion. If few people had their way, they would Jewish-Hindu bhai, bhai..after all both are positioned at odds with Islam.
    7. Then I also took pains to read the scholastic critic of Wendy Doniger such as this one - http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262511. Ms Banerjee seems to be confused by the technicality of whether Dashrath was a "sex-addict" or merely "king with perverted mind", "outraged by sensual enjoyments" and "possessed of passion". She also doesn't seem to get when Wendy Doniger referred to today's women in India and their inability to talk of sex rather than in historical times. If the schoalstic criticism looks like this then I am sure the one that was communicated at mass level would be far degraded version of this.
    6. Finally, don't confuse Hindu with a religion. It is not. There is no question of offending the whole community because it is so plural. Unfortunately the plurality is on the wane. What one hindu does as a pious act is offending to another. for example animal sacrifice by one set of hindus for all vegetarian hindus. There are Hindu sects who are agnostic, leave aside worshipping Ram or Krishna.To claim anything on everyone's behalf is stupidity and one should refrain from it. Then there is the fundamental difference of dwaita and adwaita schools of thought. But of course this is beyond VHP and likes. I guess even if they understand it (which is likely) they see it as a small sacrifice for the power game that is on.
    So, Mr Ravinar, just because you pointed out a few hypocrites of one variety, you can't have any claim on hypocrisy of another kind. The problem is Mr Ravinar, one behalf of me, some one is claiming to be offended and that fellow doesn't even know his Ramayana from Mahabharata.

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  42. @zepster,
    The Hindus react because they feel insecure. As of now Hinduism is a religion for people who represent a certain belief , concepts, way of living. And when inconsistent standards are applied, the insecure or the vigilant section of that community get offended. Their reaction may not be sensible, but then who is sensible in this world ????
    The hypocrite knows not that he is but setting a wrong trend by muddling waters to his advantage. We are doing unto others which we may not want done unto us but which gets done to us by others in some other ways and in a different way. When there remains nothing reliable nor trustworthy, then sanctity and purity gets lost. And sanctity is lost - everything is lost. Words loose their meaning and communication / exchange collapses and anarchy sets in. We are living in such times and the chaos is increasing .

    Whilst you have written a very detailed note, as a practicing Hindu - I would like to showcase and look at only the positive aspects ( as also positive interpretations ) of my religion and its religious scriptures. And would definitely not like someone from outside my religion to comment on it or project it in a bad light.

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  43. @Zepster:
    1) You are wrong. The Abrahamic faiths differ only in degree in their response, especially when it comes to their outreach in India. Thus the rationalist who made a name for himself by tilting against Hindu windmills had to flee the country after he tried to take on Christian miracles - with no Church intervention or media tirade in his support.
    2) Debating the nuances are as useful as debating the number of angels dancing on a pin. The book wasn't banned. A legal challenge was mounted using the same laws that the secular establishment has frequently used in support of the Abrahamics, and the publisher chickened out. Besides what nuances are there in the power disparity between the secular sepoys-Abrahamics-White Academics nexus and the native Hindu practitioners who are essentially shut out from the key avenues for shaping opinions. Their only redress is to react intolerantly just like the Abrahamics, or to repurpose their own laws.
    3) Whether 95% of the Hindu community read or heard of the book is irrelevant. The power imbalance in the presentation of Hinduism outside India, and among India's elite who control the reigns of power within the country, means that this slanderous depiction would soon become the de facto image of the Hindu brand. Although Doniger is now laughing all the way to the bank, the fact that there was a Hindu outcry will give some pause to this re-branding and, in time, defeat it. People will read the book and see the juvenile nature of the analysis. They may even read some of the online criticisms for a different view. The next generation of Hindus will have recourse to these arguments, just as we learned from great men like Sita Ram Goel and Ram Swarup and Arun Shourie, and now Rajiv Malhotra and Koenrad Elst.

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    1. @Souixsie,
      your point#1 rebuttal looks weak and a bit high-funda.
      First of all, you are actually agreeing with Zepster that difference between Islam and Christianity's reaction to criticism is not the same. Christianity's reaction was much more moderate. That's what Zepster said.
      Secondly, I could not understand whom you are referring to who fleed the country. Can you please elaborate?

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      your point#2. Err,, what is your point here? No nuances? Only black and white? BTW, your English is superlative, no denying that.

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  44. @Zepster:
    4) The liberal half-hearted protests in support of Nasreen or Rushdie are Potemkin facades meant to sooth useful idiots into thinking that there is no left-liberal hypocrisy taking place. It is no different from the limp response to the Sikh pogrom in Delhi that some liberals spout in pretense to balance out their full-bore no-holds-bared assault on the Gujarat communal riots.
    5) Not even worth a rebuttal.
    6) You will be surprised at how many American Jewish academicians and media personalities have it in for Hinduism. Not Israeli Jews, but their ABCJ brethren who are much more vested into the Judeo-Christian civilizational rubric. Doniger's adolescent sexualizing of Hinduism is an attempt to bring it down to the more prosaic level of the Old Testament with its chronicles of rapes, prostitution and incest. So what if Hindu metaphysical mythology soared to levels not achieved by the Abrahamic sacred texts? In the Middle East heartland of the Abrahamics, the parable of crabs in the pot pulling down all is well known, and for a very good reason.
    7) You are parsing Banerjee's critique in the best Abrahamic manner. There is a world of difference between someone who is besotted or madly in love and a sex addict or pervert. Practicing Hindus would not recognize the latter description of KIng Dasharatha in their beloved living mythology, anymore that practicing Christians would disbelieve the virgin birth. There are many other point-by-point critiques of Doniger's book that are easily available on the internet, not that it would matter if you have already subscribed to Doniger's scholarship.
    8) Hinduism is a way of life, a civilization just as the Abrahamic or the Confucian ways. It is made of many branches, including Hindu atheists who understand the deeper meaning behind these myths. But even they would see that a concerted attack on Hindu believers (and other believers of the Sanathana Dharma) would eventually cause the great tree to wither and fall. Ravinar gets this, and is doing a superb job in pointing out the rampant hypocrisy of the Marxists-Missionaries-Mullah secularists and their allies in the West.


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    1. I am glad that you brought up the Hindu Atheistic sect into discussion. What could be a bigger insult to a theist than saying that you are imagining things or that your whole system of faith and ritual has no basis and the divinity is figment of your imagination. In other words, you are either stupid or downright deranged. And yet the two exists within the Hindu ideology. That's why Hindu is not another way of life like the western concept of religions.
      In fact your whole defence makes you guilty of falling prey to same western influences which you are criticizing. First, you are unable to see Hinduism as different from a typical religion. Guess you're unable to find an English word for it. You worry about what other people of think of you and you worry about the Hindu identity, the brand, which is perhaps more important for your survival at some level than the survival of the 'great tree', as you call it.
      Hinduism survived not because it's a distinct identity but rather it's a fluid concept which has been amended a thousand times. There is no Quran or Bible as the definitive source of all good. So if it ever falls, it will fall because people like you have started treating it like one. And, that too just because you are obsessed with and feel insecure about your identity. The insecurity manifests in the crazy conspiracy theories of Marxist-Missionaries-Mullah. (awesome combo!) At the same time, the prevalent idea of Hinduism has quite a few negatives attached to it and we shouldn't mindlessly restrict all forms of criticism. We have such a horrible system of caste where we discriminate among ourselves. We treat other religion as untouchable and unsociable. The screwed up notion of gotra kills quite a few every year. And sometime back, we use to burn our widows (this changed when someone influenced by western education found it despicable and dared to change it, not accept as finality) and they still continue to live a lesser life. And how many of us humbly accept Buddha's inclusion in our holy books as one of the avatar as most of my European friends do about Christmas being a pagan festival. The Christianity that you are criticising is long dead in Europe - but I'm sure there is no way you will accept this. Anyway, the point is to be open to different views, work on them if you find it worthy and ignore others. Don't suppress the voices, stagnate the idea of Hinduism at your doorstep and kill it.

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    2. Now, let me just respond to two of your rebuttals. The first one, where I'm obviously wrong, am not I? The article defends acts such as 295a. If so, then there is nothing wrong with that the case you have cited. It's like Wendy fleeing India to avoid arrest. But then you chose to call him a rationalist and not a hypocrite. That’s surprising. You see, that's why I am saying that this is a stupid law. If something offends you and there isn't anything wrong with the factual accuracy, then you should just keep your feelings to yourself and at best to the people who think likewise. But of course nuances doesn't mean anything to you. Nuances bring down level of a discussion or debate, I guess, for you. Another point on the same topic is I was mainly talking about reactions in western countries. Of course in India thanks to such laws, fundamentalist elements have been well-nurtured across all segments. Just google Jesus cartoons or Pope cartoons and you would know.
      The other one is where your biases come out in open. Aditi Banerjee accepts that Dashrath has been called 'pervert' by lakshmana which you think is in same bracket as sex-addict. But I guess that's another of nuances that doesn't matter. So I am not at all surprised that you are unable to see the difference between 'consumed by passion' and 'consumed by love'.
      And somewhere I read that Sita Ram Goel at the time of criticizing Chrisitanity accepted that it has gone through a humanistic and rationalistic interpretation which has thrived. I am not a big fan of Christianity but many Christian people have learned to tell the difference between the instances when their religion makes sense and when it doesn’t. Something we all should aspire to do.

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    3. Thanks Zepster and Souixsie for a nice punch-counterpunch. I choose to side with Zepster.

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  45. Look the only way to deal with fiberal trash is to compile a hilarious book on these fiberal comic characters and publish the same. We can get the internet hindus to make it a best seller. Lets see liberally the fiberal idiots take it

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