Thursday, January 17, 2013

Sujata Patil Vs Cowards



National flags are considered sacred and every country has rules about how flags are to be hoisted or flown. Here’s a general explanation of what it means when a flag is flown upside down: “Any flag flown upside-down is considered a sign of distress... Mutiny, piracy, sinking, coup, rebellion of the people or government. The fact that any flag flown upside-down means distress is not the whole story however... flags flown upside-down can and are used as a form of protest. The flag is a symbol of control and superiority. The use of such in any other way is considered "desecration". In the US, flying a flag upside down is also a call-sign of danger to life and property. In India private citizens got the freedom to fly the national flag only a few years ago. Patriots fly the flag on national days, at homes, at offices and honour it.

Children and even adults can sometimes be clumsy and fly the flag upside down. This is often an honest, innocent mistake that can be overlooked. But what does it say about public figures who negligently fly the flag upside down? They too can claim it was an honest mistake but I believe it is unforgiveable. In the pic Kapil Sibal is seen with a foreign dignitary signing some accord. The flag in front of him is upside down. These meets are hosted by very experienced staff members who understand protocols and procedures. Theirs is not an “honest mistake” but an act of “negligence”. What about Shahrukh Khan? He was flying the flag upside down while taking a lap around a stadium filled with thousands of people. Mind you, someone else didn’t mount the flag on a staff for him. He did it himself sitting in his car (pics are available to establish this) and while one will not know if he did it deliberately there can be no denying he was negligent. It’s not wrong to call both these acts of flying the flag upside down as acts of “desecration”. While Sibal is a minister who may be replaced, SRK is not. There is no reason why these two individuals shouldn’t be punished and stripped of their right to fly the flag for a few years.

There is a complaint still pending against Kapil Sibal. I am unaware of the current status of this complaint and media won’t bother tracking. A case against SRK has also been filed for disrespecting our flag. The PuneMirror headline interestingly says “SRK targeted”. Targeted? He is being “targeted”? What does that mean? He’s being “victimised” for his crime? So when a Mumbai traffic cop, Sujata Patil, wrote a poem in anguish and anger against the rioters at Azad Maidan (August 2012) many activists were up in arms calling her a communal hater. Actually, we don’t even know who these activists were. Well, one of them definitely was Javed Akhtar. This guy is a filmy-type poet and the face of “liberal Muslims” but while he wants the freedom to write all his poems and dialogues, many of them violent filth, he doesn’t want the same freedom for Patil. The other, predictably, is the foul-mouthed Mahesh Bhatt. What about him? This Bhatt guy is so filled with communal-hatred that when the Delhi Gangrape victim died on December 29, 2012 he tweeted seeking to “shut down temples” as if Hindu temples were the cause of Gangrapes.

Sujata Patil wrote her poem in anger against those rioters at Azad Maidan who molested female cops and destroyed the AmarJawan memorial. The very activists who cried “death” to rapists couldn’t stand a poem against molesters of women. Sujata only wrote a poem with metaphors suggesting hands molesting women or destroying monuments be chopped off. She was actually lamenting the helplessness of the Police and public in general rather than calling for any violent action. Her poem was written in Marathi and published in an internal Newsletter (November 2012) of Mumbai police. Many translations of this poem in English are floating around. But I had this translated by a very reliable media person. This person is a Marathi and works in a prominent English-media house and I received this note and the translation:

Here's my version... I think the attack she talks about is more about the attack on us as a people, who remained spectators to the crime of the Amar Jawan being vandalised. And all we needed to do was teach them a lesson then and there - and we knew how - with a lathi and pistol - but we just failed to understand this - we just failed to act.   Ironically the poem is titled Azad Maidan - Free Ground - and how their hands were tied”.

Now, though the poem may be harsh and angry it does not in any way offend any community in particular. It is unlikely that it will even provoke any hatred or any violent action. The only reaction came from some who seem to have been actually involved in the Azad Maidan rioting. The Hindu reports that among the complainants was Nazar Mohammed Siddique, one of the accused arrested in the Azad Maidan violence case, who is currently out on bail. Ironical that one who is accused of violence at Azad Maidan finds a poem offensive and hateful. TOI reports that Mahesh Bhatt commented: “… time is here to put our police force on the psychiatric couch and find out from where their hatred towards minority originates”. I believe it’s Mahesh Bhatt who is long overdue for a mental check-up given his frequent communal and hate-filled outbursts. Sujata may have called the rioters “traitors and snakes” according to some translations but I don’t find her anger misplaced.

In my books anyone who negligently or wilfully disrespects our National Flag is automatically anti-national. I don’t see why Sujata Patil is wrong or should be condemned for calling those who molested women cops and destroyed the AmarJawan memorial anti-nationals or traitors. I don’t see anything wrong if she figuratively suggests such hands should be chopped. It’s a poem, not a call to arms. People may remember that a Kerala professor’s hand was chopped off for merely writing something offensive to Muslims. If mere writing can lead to such intolerance and violent action by the Islamists what exactly is wrong in just writing a poem condemning the violent and anti-national actions of rioters? Mahesh Bhatt and Javed Akhtar are up in arms because they claim the poem is against “minorities”. Give it a break “Sickulars”! It’s just a coincidence that the Azad Maidan rioters also happened to be Muslims (or weren’t they?). It could have been any other group too. Fact is, these TarBhatts and others like them couldn’t whip up similar courage and anger to condemn the riots and the destruction of the AmarJawan memorial. And some had the gall to compare Sujata to Akbar Owaisi.

AO openly called for violence against Hindus. He has made not one but a series of hate speeches. The last one being the most hateful, someone filed a case against him. There was an outrage on social media which forced the MSM to report. All these years the filmy cowards and others didn’t have the guts to point one little finger at AO. The laughable part is AO now claims his voice was doctored in the hate-speech video. That’s the coward’s excuse. He might next claim it wasn’t him but his “nephew” who is in the video. Sujata has lamented the helplessness of the police and common people and vents her anger against molesters, rioters and anti-nationals. Those who can’t tell the difference are the ones who need some psychiatric help.

It’s undeniable that the police watched as the mob went into an orgy of violence, destruction and molested their female colleagues. It is just as absurd that after all the outrage over the Delhi Gangrape, over which activists and filmy-types called for ‘chemical castration’ and death for all rapists, now find a poem against molesters and anti-nationals unpalatable. The police blindness during the Azad Maidan is the typical inaction that motivates the brazenness of the likes of AO who then call for genocide. Sujata Patil has been forced to apologise for her literary piece but that doesn’t alter the fact that many may share her anger over police’s hands being tied during such incidents. As for the destruction of the AmarJawan memorial only shameless cowards can condemn any writing against such anti-nationals. Flying a flag upside down is anti-national and should be seriously punished. Destruction of memorials to our martyrs is no different and those who protest anger against them with fake and unjustified outrage, simply because the rioters were from a minority group, are nothing less than cowards.

80 comments:

  1. Outstanding Ravi. My humble Namskar to Sujata and you. Make no mistake, Javed is simply a wolf in sheep's garb. He and Mahesh would join Azad Maidan crowd any day to bring Sharia Law to India. They will have no hesitation in destroying anything that is Hindu. Have not heard them talking about killing of thousands of Shias in Pakistan, Indonesia. If these buggers have even 1% humanity in them they will convert to either Buddhism or take shelter in Sanatan Dharma to show their protest. But, have these cowards guts?

    Sujata, a very worthy name, by her poem has opened the eyes of more Indians, like her name shake did for Siddhartha.

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  2. This is where the MNS and Shiv Sena came very handy. At least in such instances they are no-nonsense parties. Let Javed Akhtar say something against these parties and see if he can survive.
    Another point is why not have a Muslim law for Muslims. That actually involves chopping off the hands.
    Sujata deserves a Kirti Chakra

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  3. Just sharing..

    In response to requests by many I have put up the "Google Translate" gadget on the Top-right margin of the page. While their translation is not 100% accurate it is one of the options available now. Only some Indian languages are covered by this feature.

    Thanks

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    1. And you are "मिडिया-बदमाश" in Hindi....

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  4. I had a strong "gut" feeling I will get to savor your post today! was getting restless... you see I proudly claim to be MediaCrooks Addict!

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  5. Brilliant! I was about to blog on this topic and hypocrisy of this Liberal Muslim, Javed Akhtar. While at it, all Bollywood Khans are jarringly silent on Indo-Pak friction at this time. Alteast as a lip service, they could have pronounced some Pro-Jawan (India's Jawan Of course)statements. But then that is expecting too much. Secularism comes a full circle in India

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    1. Javed Akhtar is as liberal as a snake in the grass. He only piles on the obviously outrageous statements his community makes but is always ready to use that as an excuse to attack pro nationalist actions like those of Sujata.
      All said and done, the population transfer during partition should have been more complete. People like Akhtar have no business being in India. They suborn India from within, while pretending to be patriots.

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  6. Excellent! Keep up the good work.@Aham Brahmasmi: Me too.

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  7. excellent post, i used to respect javed akhtar as a secular and a liberal indian but this incident opened my eyes and it also tells very much about his mindset towards females, he was nowhere when these female cops were being molested now he is suddenly all demand about 'sacking the cop', it shows his mentality that dignity of a women come secondary to religion for people like him, thats why he didnt bother about molestation of them but is very bothered about a poem written by a lady.
    another thing that is bothering me is, when the riots happened all raza academy guys and 'seculars' were saying that rioters don't represent their community and they are not muslims, now they are suddenly bothered about a poem written about them, i mean what they have decided in the end? those rioters represent them or not? bcz if they don't them this poem is not communal and if they do then those who destructed amar jawan jyoti and molested female cops represent their mentality too

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    1. "....when the riots happened all raza academy guys and 'seculars' were saying that rioters don't represent their community and they are not muslims, now they are suddenly bothered about a poem written about them..."

      Good point.

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    2. exactly,they were swift in disowning owaisi who is in fact an elected mla.but the same guys find the poem of this cop as offending.

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  8. Just for a moment imagine the rioters were Hindus, I'm sure the poem would have almost become our national anthem with several accolades, promotion & special names being bestowed on the poet..our MSM would have had her as main speaker, chief guest etc etc.......It is becoming crystal clear that all things such as tolerance, acceptance, secularism are only meant for the Hindus of this country to follow...

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    1. Needless to say Hindus have become the minorities. Let us also remember we what people call "tolerating community "

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    2. Many many thanks for bringing up this relevant matter to the public domain and now the South Indians have also learnt now to protest against the molesters, rapists and woman baiters in the guise of Film Makers et al.

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  9. Excellent posr Ravinar..Even FP did not pick up this news I believe...I didnt know that Sujata was forced to apologize...Hope she or any of her family members are not harmed by these "sickular" rioters....
    I dont understand how the Hindu folks in Bollywood work with the likes of Javed Akhtar , Shabana , Moron Mahesh bhatt....they should secretly boycott these morons....

    And AO said his voice was doctored??????!!! lol...this is coming from a guy who claimed to wipe out 100 cr Hindus in 15 min....coward...

    Rest assured he will be out soon and will go back to giving more hate speech....Btw did u read another news in TOI , that Hindu sadhu was arrested in Hyderabad for HATE SPEECH , but the news does not tell what he said or the transcript of his speech...
    Im sure he must have called AO anti-national.

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    1. Please read the full article "Swami Kamalananda Bharati: Hate speech or sage advice?" at the following link:
      http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=2645

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    2. Nice speech.....he was merely protesting Owaisi's hate speech....now Hindus dont even have the right to protest in our own country....
      Its also surprising that none of the other spiritual leaders condemned Owaisi's speech....

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  10. Wonderful as ever. And THANK YOU for sharing the English translation.. or some of us would have been left wondering what the poem actually did say that was so offensive. I think someone needs to pull up this Javed Akhtar guy for trying to communalise this issue. Are we supposed to put up with crimes just because its perpetrated by a muslim? This wretched definition of secularism needs to go.

    People like you and the SM are playing a commendable role in exposing these hypocrites.. kudos!

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  11. currently very few people criticize muslims forget about islam,,,, almost none...but secular/protector of islam main fear is that today few Hindus have spoken,tomorrow more will speak encouraged by this & so finally it will be impossible to defend islam

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  12. Dear sir urja means your are awesome.
    you are excellent n thanks a lot bcz i can use this to shut sme of Sickulars.

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  13. Thnaks Ravi for this post ...With great respect and love to Sujata ( And many more and all Sujatas of our country ).......

    FREE ? AM I ??

    I just started to breathe
    and they closed the window on air..
    I just started to see
    and they put a blindfold on my eyes..
    I just started to hear
    and they banned the source of sound..
    I just started to speak
    and they want me to be quiet..

    I am not allowed to be my own
    to speak, to hear or to see
    and they say I am free!!!

    Will I be given a chance to listen?
    a chance to tell?
    Or I have to go back to my shell??

    Rachana.

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  14. Even I have the same doubt.

    During the Muslims violent protest against the "Innocence of Islam" movie in Chennai, Muslim mob beat up the Tamil Nadu policemen and many openly harassed the women police as well. But shockingly no retaliation was made by the Tamil Nadu police. Not even a FIR was filed againt the violent mob even though it happened in front of media.

    What or Who is stopping our Police from acting against the Muslim mobs?

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  15. Dear Ravinar,

    I really wish someone from Shivsena, Bajrang Dal take this up & stand strongly with Sujata Patil. The Marathi newspapers would attempt everything to block this poem from circulation among ordinary people to avoid a nationalist backlash. This is the darkest hour for us when nationalism & national pride is been projected by Congress Government as something shameful. What we are experiencing is a anti-hindu cartel spread in all areas of our social lives. This cartel includes Media, Social NGO's, minority votebank & corrupt bureacracy. We have got a hugh fight waiting for us. Vande Mataram !!!!

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  16. like always enjoyed reading your post

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  17. i was dying to read what ms patil had written, thanx for sharing and for the translation. its a voice of a woman in distress, frustration, hopelessness and helplessness. but ironically these are the kind of people who instill hope in me that yes there are people in the police who want to act and react (even if they can't). the less we talk about nerds like tarbhatt the better. i want to write a few more things but don't want to make this page either sound or look communal. oops, forgot the main thing, it was a great article. thanx for writing and for sharing. cheers :)

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  18. Father Javed Akhtar is busy telling women are communal, Son Farhan Akhtar is busy rioting on rape culture and every men as if a rapist...

    Father writes nasty, violent songs, Son brings in almost nude promotions...

    And what is more, none of the laws apply to them...Laws are for Hindus...Sharia Laws for them

    And these two talk exactly opposite to incite hatred...in both Hindu men and women and call them bigots or rapists!

    Thinking of re-reading "Breaking India" by Rajiv Malhotra

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  19. Salutes!! to you once again for this piece from your heart.

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  20. I won't call Javed Akhtar and Mahesh Bhatt as liberal,secular or even sickular.They are outright hypocrites.

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  21. Excellent article as usual. Thanks for exposing anti-national agenda of Javed Akhtar and Mahesh Bhat again.
    We should boycott movies of these people and teach them hard lesson.

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  22. Very nice indeed. Boycott these anti-nationals.

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  23. We should expose these hypocrites in every public forum and media and boycott them as they promote disunity and hatred to meet their narrow political end.

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  24. Swami Kamalananda Bharati should sue the state for wrongful arrest and Mohan Bhagwat the media for defaming him by publishing deliberate lies. Unless we act, we will remain at the receiving end of injustice. In addition to forcing the state / media from acting responsibly, these two gentlemen can also benefit from a nice retirement fund by suing the guilty and soaking them for a princely sum. For long, I felt that I was missing an important ingredient and could not understand the stance of the media on national issues till I started reading your blog. Even today, I feel that I am missing something - is Antonio Maino and her missionary friends so powerful that police and judiciary too are completely under her control? What is deafening is the silence of BJP. Except for a token protest, there is no opposition to any misdeed. Is BJP bereft of leadership and fighting spirit or is our expectation from BJP just too much and our participation in the national affairs too little? I would like your and other readers views

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    1. I completely agree with your views. MediaCrooks has provided the understanding of biased & paid MSM.
      Also I fail to understand BJPs silence on all key national issues. India does not need token protests but concrete actions.

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  25. http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/541728_10151385341004273_2094223962_n.jpg

    ^^ Is this the original poem or was the original poem in Marathi?

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    1. As far as I know, it was in Hindi....but curx is the vastraharan of these media crooks by Ravi...

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    1. @Nisha

      You have been spamming the previous post with unrelated comments about Kargil & Adm Ramdass. BTW Gen. Malik rejected Ramdass' claims. BDutt had cited Gen.Malik being "Trustworthy" in another incident which a reporter was accused of during Kargil.

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  27. I have been observing Javed Akhtar and the pearls that fall from his lips, and begun to wonder whether 'moderate' and 'Muslim' are contradiction in terms.And also if even the moderate Muslims know what tolerance is ?

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  28. I think the day will come when Aam Aadmi "Mango People" of this country will take law on their hands and punish the guilty on the spot..... then only our media and govt. morons will understand anguish of the Aaam Aadmi..

    Please put your thoughts..

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  29. Every time there is an event of civic unrest or gross violence caused directly by the religion-crazed among Muslims, be it the Azad Maidan riots or the 11th July London Tube bombings, all the Muslim moderate intelligentsia come out to claim that these people do not represent Islam.

    However, after a surfeit of such incidents, when people start to view their community suspiciously, these same people claim victimhood on the basis of their religion, and accuse others of targeting them because they are Muslims. This happened after the London bombings too. I have seen emails circulating, quoting British Muslim youth saying they were not the bombers, so why target them?

    And then suddenly one day someone publishes some cartoons or 'innocence movies' and you have hoardes out on the street asking openly for 'beheading those who insult Islam'. Again, this happened in London, Birmingham, and recently in Ahmedabad.

    Richard Dawkins, in The God Delusion, chides the moderate religious as harbouring extremism by fostering an unmerited respect of belief systems that have a revulsion to evidence. Similarly, the moderates among our minorities also harbour extremists in their midst by pursuing a reactive defence for them whenever it becomes convenient to define them by their religion.

    Isn't this a cynical form of deception? When your community members are caught out dancing their naked dance of hatred while you were being sanctimonious, you get embarrassed and disown them. But when the other side makes an accusation that their religious identity is leading them to this violence, you immediately jump up and say that they are being victimised.

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  30. A Correction:

    I was initially given to understand the poem was in Marathi but the translator confirms it was in Hindi. I stand corrected. Although, that doesn't in anyway alter the post or its essence.

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    1. Great Poem--million times better then the artistic endeavours of that Bhatti-guy.

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  31. Brilliant. Your description of loonies like Javed Akhtar and Mahesh Bhatt is perfect. Both are posing as secularists but they are die hard jihadis. You have rightly described sickularists as cowards especially those bearing Hindu names. Sujata Patil gave word to our feelings for that riots and meek surrender of then CP of Mumbai an Maharashtra Government. She deserves compliments for being honest.

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  32. It is the likes of Sujata who will awaken this country

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  33. Hello ,Ravinar
    Have you seen barkha dutts latest tweet on war with pakistan and its relation with communal violence in india?

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  34. Dear Ravi, I disagree a bit. "Coward" is an understatement. Cowards are compelled by fear to act in certain manner against their will or intentions. While JA, MB are plain hypocrites and hate-mongers, hooligans in the grab of artists.

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  36. It's obvious why they're flying the flag upside down. Green is muslims and Saffron is Hindus. Flying the flag upside down is being done deliberatly by these people (especially SRK) to show that Muslims come first in India. PM Manmohan Singh said so himself.

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  37. If you read history and try to analyze Mulsim Mind you will find that what ever Javed Akhatar and Mahesh Bhat are doing in the name of secularism is exactly what Mohmad Paigambar did. If you read about Banu Kureshi, Al Badra war etc you will see that there is a typical pattern in Muslim behavior. When they are in minority they will remain low and in the garb of secularism will divide the majority and will keep preparing for the attack. In this process they will not mind lying, deceiving. When they are majority they will allow you to remain non-Muslim and alive if you pay Zizia and if not face the death. In this process what matters is only their commitment towards Islam. This exactly happened in Pakistan recently in caseof Hindus, and all over the world in about 55 countries where they are in majority. Veer Savarkar wrote and talked about this long time ago. Pakistan incidences were reported in MSM but not followed up vigorously as they follow up on Muslim minority issues in India. Of course this is expected of them as they are sickulars.

    In today's world there is an excellent resource of around 650 to 700 pages book written in Marathi by Scholar Mr. Sheshrao More. The book's title is " मुस्लिम मनाचा मागोवा" anybody will get the idea why they behave like this.

    We should tell these Javed Akhatar's, Khan's, Mahesh Bhat's and secular's what ever freedom they are enjoying is because Muslims are not in majority in India. If Muslim would have been in majority Mahesh Bhat would not have been able to release his soft porn movies or Khan's would not have been allowed to do the romance on screen, or Malaika Arora Khan and Katrina Kaif would not have been able to do the dance on Munni Badnam and the likes...........Or Ayesha Takia would not have been allowed to enter in the Mumbai Film world by her father in law Abu Azami.

    So you sickulars please do not teach us about the tolerance. First become no-Muslims because it is the most intolerant religion in the world. You may search on internet about ex Muslims or you can visit http://www.faithfreedom.org to understand how ex Muslims and non-Muslims are targeted.

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    1. Dear Vishnugupt,

      If you describe Islam in very short words, " Its not a religion in Indian sense where you are looking for spiritual upliftment. Its simply a continuous Training program for creating Talibs & Jehadis through 5 times namaz, Ramzan fasting, keeping women behind burqa to ensure they keep conceiving babies to promote the ideology, etc. The only reply to such barbaric ideology is to understand their psyche, unite all the resources & fight as if its your last day. Such war mongers stop at nothing because they are trained that way.

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    2. I live among Arabs here and I can say with some command that none of my many friends fit the above description and I don't pay zizia or whatever.

      If Javed Akhtar and Mahesh Bhatt can be cheap hypocrites, Owaisi brothers can get away with spreading hatred and the Azad Maidan rioters can go unpunished it is only because of the minorityism practiced by the congress government and the MSM.

      Ravinar, as always great article!

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  38. Nah, not cowards. They are the agents of propaganda peddlers. Left has mastered the art of pushing the people into corner by the way of continuous united outrage & brainwashing through continuous subliminal messages. ie. KGB tactics. There is also a very good hollywood movie on how leftists(Russian KGB, Chinese) brainwash its enemy - "The Manchurian Candidate".

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  39. "but while he wants the freedom to write all his poems and dialogues, many of them violent filth, he doesn’t want the same freedom for Patil"

    @Ravinar, while I understand your support towards Sujata Patil and your justification of her poem, I dont understand the above words when you describe Javed Akhtar. Can you give examples of of his dialogues and especially poems which you feel are violent filth?

    Sujata Patil's poem mentions Snakes and traitors. Irrespective of whether the crowd consisted of Muslims or Hindus, the crowd's act cannot be justified. In the context it could be considered offensive. However, I do feel that demanding for her to be sacked is slightly overreacting. However, that does not mean that you classify Javed Akhtar's work as violent filth. Don't you think you are overreacting by doing that?

    Mahesh Bhatt may have asked for temples in which we worship Hindu Goddesses to be shut down. For a moment forget that this statement was made by Mahesh Bhatt and reconsider the statement. Don't you feel the maker of that statement is asking the public to analyse their own psyche? Don't you think he is trying to say that a country where temples are built for Goddesses and worshipped, we also have people treating women with such disrespect? What is offensive about the statement made by Mahesh Bhatt?

    Just because Javed Akhtar and Mahesh Bhatt are muslim sympathizers you are giving their statements a different meaning. Why are you being so biased?

    -Abhijit

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    1. Do one simple thing - one of the #DelhiGangRape accused is Muslim, kindly go on and tell them to shut down their Mosques and stop offering five time filthy namaz. Just do that and come back with ur love with mahesh bhatt.
      On the filthy note of javed, look at his movie and dialogues, #ThikHai.

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    2. correction - its not one of the accused, but Main Accused of #DelhiGangRape is Muslim. Now ask to shut down Mosques and stop offering 5 time filthy namaz.

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    3. @Umesh,

      Muslims do not worship idols of women in their mosques. So such a question does not arise. The gist of MB's statement was to stop worshiping Goddesses in temples if we cannot treat them with respect in real life.
      Regarding Javed Akhtar's poems and dialogues being violent and filthy please point out his poems which you feel are filthy.

      -Abhijit

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    4. @Umesh,

      As far as I know the prime accused in the Delhi Gangrape case was one Ram Singh. That does not mean that the other accused are less guilty. However, you insisting that the prime accused is a Muslim feels bad. Please stop spreading hatred.

      We already have lots of it.

      -Abhijit

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    5. So if one religion praises women and people fail to it, bash the religion.
      And one religion which slaves women protect that with ur filthy logic. What a talen dude. Lage raho.

      About main accused go get ur minority inclined GK corrected.

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    6. Abhijit, stop being an idiot. The most violent accused in the delhi gangrape is the muslim "juvenile", mohammad afroz. Your supporting the rapists while also defending a soft porn director like mahesh bhatt, is becoming increasingly idiotic. Please spare us your idiotic outpourings please. A man like Mahesh Bhatt who has treated women like chattel in his personal life, uses movies to describe them as unidimensional objects of sexual desire, and is part of the perverted system that encourages violence on women, PLUS follows a belief system that has in practise resulted in heinous crimes against women (google for Islam and the slave-sex trade), has NO business pretending to be standing up for womens rights. He is a brazen hypocrite, and so are you.

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  40. Dear Abhijit,

    Isn't it irony that you yourself call Javed & Mahesh Muslim sympathizers & in same breath you justify the statement made by Mr Butt asking to shut down temples? If a muslim sympathizer is asking to shut down temples, what does that say about his motives ???? The Jehadis financing our Media & bollywood scumbags need to realise that their anti-hindu agenda has been thoroughly exposed. For a long time the anti-hindu scumbags in Media & bollywood have been running with the hare and hunting with the hound. That's exactly what is been exposed about Mahesh & Javed who are darling of same Media. More these scums spew hatred the more they are getting exposed.

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  41. Dear Abhijeet,

    By Muslim sympathizers I meant people who speak for Muslims, need not necessarily mean Hindu/non-Muslim haters. I would like to know MC's and your views if the same statement as made by Mahesh Bhatt was made by someone like L K Advani, Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley, etc..,

    The way I see Mahesh Bhatt's statement is to be ashamed that although we worship women in temples, we disrespect them and mistreat them in real life. So his statement as far I can see means to say that if we cannot protect our women, if we cannot treat our women with respect then we should also stop this double standards of worshiping them in temples. But MC seems to totally ignore such a point and deliberately give it (the statement) a religious anti-Hindu tone.

    That is why I want to know what conclusion could be drawn if the same statement was made by someone from BJP. Ravinar himself has mentioned in one of his earlier blogs that Who has said something is not important, but what has been said is important. Seems like MC has forgotten this in this context.

    -Abhijit

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    1. @Abhijit

      1. Too many crimes in Delhi. Should we shut down Delhi? Bhat's statement is lame and foolish. It's also hypocrisy when it comes from a man who has exploited woman's body quite a lot for his movies. Rest assured, as an observer I do consider the question whether a comment like that is a mere observation or a "motivated" rant. I can tell the difference and that's why I hold MB's comment communal hatred. This particular comment of MB being communal doesnt mean I have painted him a complete "anti-Hindu". You need to see that statements and sentences on MC are very carefully crafted.

      2. As for Javed Akhtar's violent filthy dialogues (many, not all as the post says) you just have to go watch some films.

      As for seeking "my views" .. the post IS indeed "my view". I prefer to call it an "assessment" rather than a view. So what you're basically seeking is a "debate" which I may or may not enter.

      Hope that answers your queries.

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      BTW on your Q about "Who has said is not important but what is said" .. that is not just a part of some blog, that's a principle written right under the MC profile on the right margin.

      Therefore, instead of MB if the same statement were to be made by you I would have condemned you as well. If the same statement were to be made by Indira Gandhi or Sonia Gandhi I would condemn them as well.

      Hope that answers you. Now as had happened in a previous post, I must ask you to make a point/comment but not make every thing you state turn into a self-righteous argument. Your views are welcome and are being posted without hindrance. The moment you indulge in extended arguments you too become intolerant.

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  42. All readers:

    The question on the "Evil" nature of comments by Mahesh Bhatt have also been covered in the post "Evil Inside". The issue of tolerance comes in for MB if he would tolerate similar comments against mosques and for JA whether he would have reacted similarly if the poem was against a Hindu mob. If MB had made comments seeking shutting mosques because terrorists worship there, chances are MB's house would have been burned to the ground by now.

    Most sensible people understand the duplicity and hypocrisy of pseudo and fake "seculars". The true test is MB's house has not been attacked after his statement on temples. For further comments on the nonsense of Javed Akhtar those interest may get on Twitter and read my tweets to him on his own dialogues.

    Thanks

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  43. Do read Balasaheb Thackeray's case-HC ruling in paras 14 & 15. Sujata Patil on much stronger wicket http://www.voiceofdharma.org/books/foe/ch02.htm … … BalaSaheb had at least used the words 'muslims' in his Samnaa editorial. And Sujata Patil made no reference to muslims or Islam at all. Supreme Court has laid down the test that "when you have to draw a conclusion from a writing, read it from start to end". This test laid down by SC was based on a sanskrit shloka (Upakromopa samharo...lingam tatparya nirnaye) AIR 1988SC 2239.If one reads the poem top to bottom , no case made out. Nothing against any religion/community in poem. She only targetted the rioters. She called as traitors or snakes those who destroyed Amarjyoti. She affirmed the sacredness of both Deepavali and Ramzan.

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  44. Till this Sujata Patil episode I had immense respect for Javed Akhtar though I Disagreed on his notions of secularism and on RSS, Modi etc. I thought of him as a liberal and democrat. His reaction in Sujata Patil is an eye-opener for me too. I no longer respect him as before. How can a MP try to curb the freedom of expression of a fellow-poet? Ja=Go way. Ved=Knowledge. After his reaction to Sujata Patil's poem, I wonder what Javed in his name means? This gentleman should resign as MP.

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    1. Welcome to the real world. Simple thing is that I am yet to meet a Muslim who is truly secular and can openly admit that Islam has committed grave crimes in its existence. Day muslims can introspect and admit that their "role models" were flawed and hence they need to come down from a pedestal of privilege and respect other faiths as versus just criticizing them, that day muslims will move towards being actual thinking human beings. The so called secular muslim will claim he respects hindu feelings but will spit venom at the RSS if it speaks something pro Hindu. In other words, a Hindu should be a dhimmi, cowardly idiot, whereupon he is worthy of Muslim respect.

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  45. For some perspective...

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283608

    Caveats apply, since most of us are unable to read blogs/articles without climbing down from our respective vantage points, with our conclusions ready even before we start:

    1. this article is by an india-resident pakistani journalist working for Dawn)
    2. outlook magazine may qualify as pro-establishment for most commentators/readers

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    1. Dear Sachin,

      I am framing your second statement in my desk for the words 'may' and 'most'.

      You see, I was a regular reader of outlook and Hindu. And it took me 10 years to realize that the problem is not with me but them - THEY are not able to climb down from their editors political vantage points.

      Regarding the content , as many have stated in the comments here - I am not really sure why the report was never a problem with the Pakistani army or establishment but only to some Indian reporter and is widely used by Pakistani apologists like Naqvi to justify the beheadings of our soldiers ?

      Thank you very much , but this site is for correcting the perspectives. Not for going back to them.

      Regards,
      Praveen

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  46. There is rumors flying around of the main accused of Delhi rape is muslim.

    Is this true?

    And his identity has been withheld by Congress. There have been many vile attacks on Hindu traditions on the premise all attackers were Hindu.

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    1. Read somewhere that the minor is one. But haven't read anywhere or any site having some credibility to quote. So I am assuming this is just propaganda.

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    2. Mohamad Afroz aka Raju is the minor who was the one who pulled the girls intestines out with a rod.

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  47. 'We feed the snakes that come back to spread venom / And we talk of brotherhood?' Beautiful lines written in anguish. Possibly represents the feeling of millions of Indians and the police men whose hands were tied. I saw a pic of a 'young, liberal, secular Indian' kicking the Amar Jawan. You should have used that picture in your post. I wonder what the types of Javed and Mahesh Bhatt say to that. Possibly we should tolerate this mindset of the rioter. We should all understand one thing - a 'liberal muslim' cannot exist. It is like the left-liberal. So all these persons are only play acting to Indian suckers and getting away with it. It was more a riot, than a protest, and the state apparatus has the duty to protect life and property. It is pertinent to find out on whose orders the hands of police were tied so that it could become a free for all and what was the State Govt doing? Let Sujatha be the inspiration for millions of Sujathas to rise and raise their voices.

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