Thursday, January 10, 2013

No Friendship With Barbarians



There’s an old joke about legendary bowler B.S. Chandrashekhar. On a tour in New Zealand he had the batsman plumb in front of the wicket and appealed for LBW and jumped in delight, only to hear the umpire say “not out”. A little later he had the batsman caught in the slips off a thick edge and gently appealed. To his horror the umpire again said “not out”. After a few more deliveries he clean-bowled the batsman. As he walked back past the umpire Chandrashekhar gently said to him: “Almost got him, didn’t I”? So all these years our media was quiet about the Owaisis and suddenly they realised they were “clean-bowled” and had to be outed. There are non-bailable warrants on Asaduddin Owaisi and Akbaruddin Owaisi since 2005. The “friendly” police under the Congress govt in Andhra never arrested them. They don’t have the guts and they are in alliance with the MIM, the party of Owaisis. So when the media finds Akbar’s speech is the equivalent of being “clean-bowled” they couldn’t cheat the nation anymore. Even the likes of Javed Akhtar couldn’t help condemning him. Same goes for issues with Pakistan. All the farce wasn’t condemned by the media till two of our soldiers were killed on January 7. They were beheaded and bodies mutilated. Some report that one head was taken away by the killers.

DNA aptly called it “Return of the barbarians”. Our PM, Manmohan Singh, seemed desperate to somehow seek the impossible peace with Pakistan. It wasn’t long after the 26/11 disaster that he severely bungled at Sharm-El Sheikh with a stupid joint statement. It was truly “Sharm-nak”! Our media and Bollywood types don’t tire from calling Pak a “good neighbour” and offering employment to their third rate artists when we have more talented artists in this country. Media celebs like Barkha Dutt and the Unholy Trinity of NDTV-CNN-IBN-HindustanTimes don’t spare any effort to celebrate Parvez Musharraf. This guy should have been rightly treated as the “war-criminal” of Kargil. Barkha Dutt even runs to London to interview the guy. Such is the passionate love for him. In 2001 when he was invited to a summit by PM ABVajpayee (which was a terrible mistake and failure) who organised an impromptu presser? You guessed it right! Prannoy Roy of NDTV. Their next favourite is politician Imran Khan, who is not even in any official position.

The most criminal among the lot when it comes to Pakistan is, of course, TOI. The blood from 26/11 had not even dried and they launched their farce called “Aman Ki Asha”. I can say this with absolute confidence: Peace with Pakistan is NOT possible. All the people to people nonsense has to stop. We need not treat them as enemies but they certainly don’t deserve our friendship or any MFN status. The latest nonsense from TOI is TV ads that state Pak and India are “competitors and not enemies” in their AKA campaign for the recent Indo-Pak ODI series. Competitors? How and what exactly is Pakistan even a worthy competitor? And we have our activists with their own nonsense of "don’t mix politics and sports". Our GOI is no different. Palestinian terrorists attacked and killed at least 11 Israeli athletes in the 1972 Olympics in Munich. Olympics have been boycotted by USA and Russia. South Africa was banned from sports because of apartheid. Who are these people fooling? Pakistan itself is a ‘Cricketing-Pariah’ after the terrorist attack on Sri Lankan players.

Arun Jaitley, BJP top leader and also the leader of Opposition in RajyaSabha, now says (in an interview with Barkha): “This government needs to understand that the spirit of Sharm El Sheikh can never define approach with Pakistan.. Review engagement with Pakistan now; the mutilations break all rules of war”. Elsewhere, he goes on to say “name and shame Pakistan internationally”. Hypocrisy and third rate nonsense from a man who neither has hindsight nor prudence. Why didn’t he oppose the recent Indo-Pak cricket series? Forget opposing, he was blissfully in attendance at the Delhi ODI on January 6 in a Nawabi cap. For all his pathetic sound-bites neither he nor the BJP seem to have learnt anything from the past. They should be hanging their heads in shame and saying sorry to the nation for not taking a strong opposing line against engaging Pakistan in any which way. Two days after the match in Delhi Lance Naik Hemraj and Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh were killed by Paki Army soldiers who had intruded across the LoC. Their mutilated bodies sent back to their devastated families and the nation. In return for Vajpayee’s Bus to Lahore they gave us Kargil in return. When will these people learn? (Do read “Twenty yards of dead bodies”)

As for the GOI the less said the better. This is the most corrupt and shameless govt we have ever had in our history. All the balderdash that now flows from govt spokesmen like Salman Khurshid, AK Antony and Manish Tiwari is the same that has been heard over and over again. What hasn’t been said is that the PM didn’t say that the killers “had the advantage of surprise” like he said after a terrorist attack in Mumbai in July 2011. They can’t get anything right but never forget to make stupid moves like easier visas for Pakistanis. Now a terrorist can land in Delhi or Mumbai and have a visa stamped I suppose. Fabulous! The worst of the lot in this situation has to be the tainted Salman Khurshid: “Mutilation of jawans unacceptable, but attack should not be escalated” and “Pak high commissioner spoken to in very strong terms”. I am unable to fathom how this guy is even holding any ministerial office. This response by Tarek Fateh to a tweet by Barkha Dutt says it all (although we aren’t signatories to that court the sentiment is to show courage and act). The GOI has yet to take any strong stance or action on the issue of Saurabh Kalia killed during Kargil. Even the Italian Defence Minister rushed to India to negotiate release of the Italian marines arrested for killing fishermen off Kerala. But Indians getting killed anywhere, taken hostages on high seas doesn’t bother this govt.

Whenever such a barbaric incident happens our media never fails to call some Paki stooges on their channels for a panel discussion. What are they expecting? That these guys will accept responsibility when they aren’t even official govt spokesmen? Predictably, every Pakistani, from panellists to their High Commissioner Salman Bashir and their EAM Hina Rabbani Khar has denied their army was involved. So why is it that Arnab Goswami keeps bringing these useless voices on TimesNow? There is some strange arousal that Arnab gets from bashing these Paki panellists when he should be bashing our reckless govt and its ministers. Even TimesNow’s defence expert Mahroof Raza asked Arnab “Why do you give them so much airtime on Indian channels”? 

The hypocrisy of the TOI group deserves condemnation. They run the AKA campaign and then behave as if they care. They have once even admitted peace with Pakistan is not possible under “Times View”. Raza also said on January 9 on Timesnow that Obama takes two days off every year to understand the nuclear chain of command again. He also asked “when was the last time a PM took time understand the difference between Northern Command and Western Command”? He makes a very pertinent point.

I have stated before and say it again; peace with Pakistan is NOT possible. We need not wage war but there is no way a nation from which many have promised a 1000-year Jihad against India can ever be true friends. This is like expecting Iran to become a friend of Israel. Not happening! This sucking up to and molly-coddling Pakistan is just another feature of ‘Muslim vote-bank’ politics by our govt and nothing more. As far as our national interest is concerned Pak has nothing to offer; not even a small safety pin. For all our genuine gestures of goodwill we have only got barbaric acts in return. It’s time to dump this charade. Instead of uttering more useless statements the GOI should recall our High Commissioner from Pakistan and expelled theirs from Delhi. The one article that has honestly acknowledged peace with Pak is not possible for many reasons is by TheJaggi in Firstpost. He aptly titles it “We are fools: 6 things we need to realise about Pakistan”. I would have to say not all but our govt and appeaser-politicians have been fools all along. There is no way friendship with barbarians will be possible.

62 comments :

  1. To start with , lets boycott all goods made in Pakistan . Kick them where it hurts the most.

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    1. Pakistan makes usable goods?

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    2. No No .... dont escalate the things ..... lets invite pakistan cricket team , lets play some more series and yes lets not forget to invite his holiness davood to watch these friendly games this time ....... lets not bring politics in games ......... shame less people

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    3. We just boycotted one last November.

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  2. This is when I miss Bala Saheb.

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  3. Another smashing piece! Arun Jaitley please run for cover..what a hypocrite indeed,shamelessly rubs shoulders with another lowly dalak Rajeev Shukla..cricket is their unifier and this moron Jaitley mouthing platitudes is ridiculous.As for Arnab,his employers are to be blamed..left to his own devices,he would have wound up that joke of AKA campaign..so Arnab has to be seen in isolation when it comes to AKA.

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    1. Arun Jaitley is a hypocrite. BJP needs to cleanse the party and has to expel these types.

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    2. Even the BJP folks are same. Jaswant, Advani and Hajpayee what did they do?

      I am completely disapponited with BJP.

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    3. Can we honestly say that none of us saw those matches on TV,checked scores or read in newspapers. The stadiums were packed.By that logic everyone should be guilty.This holier-than-thou attitude is childish.Only ones who are responsible are those in government (Sonia-Manmohan-Antony)Don't try to confuse others like pro-congress TV anchors do. Defence minister should take the responsibility and resign.

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    4. Terry John's comments make sense.others are delightfully ensconced on the band-wagon of BJP-bashers,covering up for the misdeeds of the Con party headed by the semi-literate, corrupt firangi.It is the corrupt and spineless leaders of the Con party who are squarely responsible for the humiliation faced by our nation and our Defence Forces!

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  4. And what about the stupid flag lowering tamasha held every sundown at the Attari-Wagha border. BSF troops who should be guarding the border instead of being made to kick legs like ballet dancers and harming themselves physically. And this is done to keep the Pakis happy because the BSF is already sick of this and want to put an end to it. All the Home Minister has to do is give a one-line order... but i expect too much. The GOI is only good for attacking sleeping and harmless protesters.

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    1. Online order .... i think its too sophisticated term to use for this gov to understand .....

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  5. If peace with Pak is because of Muslim vote bank, then Muslims of India have a reason to be ashamed.

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    1. Muslims, not only in India but the whole world have plenty of reasons to be ashamed but they were never
      [PS: that goes for Hindus, Christians too but never to that extent]

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  6. The most famous of Chandrasekhar's umpire directed quote that day in New Zealand is surely this one "I know he is bowled, but is he out?"

    Sudhakar Muthyala

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  7. First let us expose all this "Wagah border candle wallahs" and pseudos who have systematically worked to camoflouge Pakistani terror. News channel who wish to have firm foothold in Pakistan are responsible for such AmankiAsha . No one advocates war but Pak needs to be told that the soldier in the border is the most priced human for India

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  8. I fully agree with 'Peace with Pak is not possible'.This is a country that was born out of hatred and not separated like the Czech & Slovakia. Even if Kashmir is given to them they will not live in peace. It will only embolden them to continue with their terrorist activity. Till that country exists as it is now they will continue with their efforts to destroy India. The ball is in India's court to decide the fate of Pakistan once and for all. If it has to be settled through war this nation must be prepared to face the loss and pain and bear the consequences which will be of short time duration but we can put Pakistan to rest once and for all. Worrying about nuclear attack from Pak is not going to get us anywhere. It's time to call this nuclear bluff or blackmail and make Pak realise the consequences of our retaliation will be a total wipeout of a country called Pakistan. It's high time India regained its place in the list of country's that will step up to protect itself and its citizens come what may and thereby send out a message to these neighbouring pests also to crawl back into the holes from where they came out.

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    1. Its not just us , but the elite ppl in pak believe that they are living in a rotten state , only the fools in our country are talking rubbish like amankiasha and all ......

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  9. Im posting here a brillaint comment by a commenter on FP on how to tackle the Pak menace.....

    India's response to Pak aggression reveals that India lacks the guts to pursue the ONLY available option - to stoke counter terror inside Pakistan to bleed it dry financially, utterly demoralize its polity and possibly lead to the breakup of this monstrosity of a "nation" whose only raison d'tre is perpetual enmity towards India.

    India must aid Baluchi rebels and Sindhi freedom fighters to weaken the hold of the Sunni Punjabi cabal that ruthlessly exploits them. India must arm Shia groups now facing genocide at the hands of Sunni Punjabi fanatics. In this endeavor India could co-opt Iran. India should tactically arm the weaker sides in the deadly ethnic street wars in Karachi, where Pathan, Punjabi, Sindhi and Mohajir criminals kill each other every day. The Pakistani Taliban has already exposed the utter incompetence of the Pakistani army in tackling the insurgency in the Khyber Province and tribal areas. India could arm non Pathan tribes so that they too can torment the Pakistani army.

    The advantages of this strategy are many. First - India can easily DENY its involvement as brazenly as does Pakistan which routinely sponsors Islamic terror in India. Second - it makes Pakistan's nuclear blackmail ineffective. Third - it is cheap because it gets others (in this case oppressed non Sunni Punjabis) to fight our battle. Fourth - it is a game of attrition as it slowly bleeds Pakistan. It will not capture the attention of the global TV audience as would a "hot" war.

    To implement this strategy ONLY ONE condition needs to be fulfilled. The Congress and BJP must secretly agree to adopt this strategy in our national interest so that regardless of which party is in power, India will continue to bleed Pakistan until it disintegrates. There is no way Pakistan as it exists today will survive this assault. Indeed, Sindhis, Baluchis and even Pathans will thank India for liberating them from the yoke of Sunni Punjabi tyranny the way Bangladeshis did in 1971.

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    1. Focus on the last line which is the bitter truth - Sindhis, Baluchis and Pathans will thank India the way Bangladeshis did. Remember mutilation of BSF by Bangladesh and the usual response that followed?

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  10. “I will slash your tongues, if you utter any words against the Hindus."-This reaction to Akbar Owaisi's speech came not from Varun Gandhi nor from any BJP or RSS or VHP or Bajrang Dal leader. This was reaction of Congress MLA T Jayaprakash Reddy, also known as Jagga Reddy. And not just any Congress MLA-He is the whip of Congress in Assembly. This is sufficient to show the gravity of Akbar Owaisi's remarks.

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    1. Except Jagga Reddy's harsh tongue on Owaisi, other things are trash...Jagga Reddy's personal devotion to Hinduism is far from Cong leaders in the country and party.

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  11. India should tell the world one thing very clearly. Problematic Indo-Pak relations do not have their source in territorial disputes. The real source of the problem is medieval barbaric state ideology of Pakistan. Territorial disputes are also traceable to this ideology. Unilateral ceding of territory by India will not improve relations with Pakistan. Pakistan will treat this as weakness and will continue as before with its barbarism. Barbarism of Pakistan not only evident in brutalisation of bodies of Indian soldiers. Its evident in genocide in Balochistan. It was evident in Bengali genocide in 1971 as well. India must now tell the world that we cant negotiate with medieval barbarians.

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  12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8FvnGCqMS0

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  13. not sure anyone noticed this, the paki admiral on Arnab's show said "our jehadis have put you indians in ur place for the last 1000 years" these are the views of an admiral in pakistan... the views of every Paki appears to be a mockery of our country and we respond with "Strong Words"....the only outrage we see is from the public and nothing from our leaders..well what else can we expect from cowards like manmohan singh, shinde, antony or khurshid...
    mahnooj

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  14. The problem with today's India is- there no one to check the government's free run. This government has done countless blunders, either of them would have been sufficient for the fall of the government if we were not a banana republic. Media is in their pocket,the opposition is directionless and weak they appear on TV with their lectures and disappear. Recent judicial conduct in swamy Vs chidu and Modi lokayukta case etc.makes it hopeless to expect something from Judiciary either. Let's be prepared for UPA 3.

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  15. I heard boycott of Pakistan, sever relationship etc. Can Nationalists bark on the right tree please ?
    The right tree is liberals, MSM, each and every Congressis who is spoke in the this wheel of ISI in India.
    These fiberals breaking India inside like termites and opening gates for barbarians to enter Indian Narratives/minds and subjugate them.

    At this rate, I am sure, surrender of India, Hindus is not far behind to Pakistan and Paki mindset. This may happen in our life time.

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  16. Salute you for this very objective honest factual article.Time to call aspade a spade!

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  17. Even Narendra Modi attended the T20 between India and Pakistan. So can you go ahead and paint him as second rate hypocrite? http://www.hindustantimes.com/photos-news/Chunk-HT-UI-IndiaVSPak2012-Picture/T20IndiavsPakistan/Article4-982033.aspx
    Link added to aid your memory.
    You see Mr. Ravinar, I read your blog regularly. You sound reason most of the times. This time though you are wrong. Mr. Charles De Gaulle once said about Nationalism and Patriotism:
    Patriotism is the love of one for his country, Nationalism is the hate for the other. I fear you are now falling in the Nationalism trap Mr. Ravinar. Without knowing it.
    You in your blogs seem agitated and deeply anguished with the present UPA regime. I share your anguish. Mr. Ravinar, I see Mr. Atal Bihari Vajpayee as the best PM of India. This is more so because first I am not a history student so I don't know how all the others fared, and when he came, I was old enough to follow him, those behind him in the third front rule and those who followed him.
    I don't think it was a wrong move on his part to board that bus. He didn't acted on greed to get some name in a history book. But it was his realisation that ignoring Pakistan and acting as if it doesn't exist with no lines of communication is not feasible and is more like ostrich head in sand situation. We will HAVE TO make peace possible with Pakistan. No is just not the answer. Though it looks impossible.

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    1. @PKJ

      I was certain someone would raise the questions you have raised and I am glad you did.

      1. I have slammed the BJP as a whole for not taking a stronger stand. I need not name each individual. Secondly, I have specifically mentioned Arun Jaitley since he is their central leader and an MP. Besides, I am pointing to his hypocrisy is because he is the one raging on TV right now. Right?

      2. Where does the post say it was wrong of ABV to take the bus to Lahore? It does not! I maintain that having been rewarded with Kargil in return it was wrong of ABV to call the plotter (Musharraf) for a special summit. This was again screwed with the NDTV stunt. Remember?

      3. If you read all the posts I have linked in this post I have consistently stated that India need not make the first moves anymore for peace. If there is any sincerity let Pak make the moves with convincing evidence of its sincerity for peace. Till then I believe its better to put them in cold storage.

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    2. Dear Mr PKJ,

      1)Although Mr Ravinar has answered to most of your querries I would like to add here that what Mr. Charles De Gaulle said about Nationalism does not fit into what's currently happening in India. Here Nationalists have been deliberately framed as Fazists by Congress & leftist for their political millage for past 60 years. Do you believe that Congress & Leftists are patriots by any strech of imagination ? NO. There are only self serving bastards who keep talking about patriotism because it suits their hidden agenda. This nation is on verge of loosing its identity & we are still discussing about whether we need nationalism ????
      2) Mr Modi attending a match between India & Papistan was wrong but is not Mr Modi just a human being ? He atleast have not partitioned India, created Kashmir problem or have allowed Jehadi & Maoist ideologies to spread in his state. We must honour that.

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    3. We will HAVE TO make peace possible with Pakistan....

      Alice in wonderland???

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    4. @Ravinar:
      Your view seems to me as the one that the state of Israel had to take. Everyone around them want their destruction and swear by it. And they had to stand up. However, the toll they took on international stage! But even they do engage with Palestine and other neighbours.
      Consider the Indian situation. Lets not pretend what we want the communication lines for. It is only for the increased business and more protection for the Indian state. Any talk of greater humanity is of course a bull story. The current situation in Pakistan suggests they are painting India black, and using it as a poll ballot. That they are denying their role in any wrong doing is no secret.
      However they are nuclear armed. Israel doesn't face that situation. If we cut all lines of communication, and given that the kind of idiots they have in polity (Rehman Malik), and the type of jingoism and India hatred and propaganda they pursue in their country, how long will it take for them to misinterpret a regular army movement for an attack. We all know how trigger happy they can be. So how can no lines of communication be even a policy decision?
      Secondly the situation in India. As per The Hindu report a 70 year lady was able to cross the border. That sounds more porous a border than Indo Bangladesh border. No wonder Pakistanis are not allowing any more bunkers! We all know their intentions for infiltration. Now who is responsible such a pathetic ground situation is a discussion for another day. But wouldn't it be more expeditious as of now to let this farce of talks continue before we mend some walls and make our security more tight. Don't you think that without these talks will relieve Pakistan of international pressure and put onus on us while they go ahead with twice as much vigour to destabilize India?
      I think you construe 'Peace with Pakistan' as both countries pursuing Panchsheel in principle. As you rightly said it is impossible. But my interpretation of talks is essential lines of communication to keep both at a little ease.

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    5. Oh I didnt know Modi attend the indo - pak match ..... it was not needed ..... playing with pak was a stupid idea from the beginning endorsed by stupid media for the stupid ppl(tat would be us sadly) .....

      Nice article Ravi keep it up.

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    6. @PKJ ummm keep both at little ease how ? when our soldiers are being killed ambushed and mutilated everyday you seem like a MSM stooge a pakis ball licker please don't hide behind words get your facts first do you even know pak army adn ISIS provide support to maoists terrorists in northeast bangaldeshi terrorists ? what should we do should we keep quiet and see our country siffer its because of cowards and govt dallals like you that country is in this stage you are your bias towards pakistan is clear;y visible in the garb of your choice of ' we must make of defences strong '..its when push comes to shove we have no other optiontime for a strong offence and not a strong defence..

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    7. Dear PKJ,

      I will put my thoughts on your comments one by one.

      1) Do you mean it was wrong on part of Israel to stand up against Islamic terrorism in middle east? And If Israel was so wrong then why are the Islamic countries having a dialogue with Israel ? The answer lies in Isreal's military strength & strong social connection with American politics which withstands any kind of miliraty or religious attack making them invincible.
      2) Have we surrendered the Safety of our Nation to whims & fancies of sick-fucks like Rehman Malik & Hafeez Sayed ? Otherwise why should we worried how they mis-interpret our military movements ?
      3) We need to keep dialogue open so that we mend some walls and make our security more tight ? Really ? Have our National security come to this low ?
      4) Lastly Mr PKJ, peace is not achieved by playing cricket matches or wishing that terrorism dosen't exist. It will only be achieved by complete destruction of either India or Pakistan. If you are a soft hearted, then you can keep having a dialougue line open while simultaneously bombing & killing Pakis during the in-evitable final war. Don't know when !!!

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    8. @hidetaga calls me MSM stooge. No need to get personal! I am entitled to my view point.
      @Abhijeet: My context of Israel is that it is the only country with minimal contacts with neighbours with nearly all of them hostile. And how Indian situation is different because of Nuclear arms.And that Israel doesn't qualify as a soft state by engaging in talks.
      Regarding 'inevitable final war' please don't sound like an uneducated maulvi shouting about some ghaznavi hind. War is never final. When it will be we won't be talking.
      My viewpoint is only that I will not like war. It doesn't sound too boorish. Lot of people around the world will agree to that. Neither I prescribe to notion that any nation can be powerful enough to eat up another nation. Even US could not do it with Iraq. In 1971, 90K paki soldiers surrendered. Even keeping that number of POW's with Geneva convention mandate was very stinging on purse!
      So given the reality is Pakistan is going to be our neighbour, why not keep all the options open. By keeping all options open, we won't become soft. But shutting out all lines of communications and still not using force in cases of huge acts of aggression like Mumbai will be.
      Again I use the instance of Atalji going to Pakistan. He was a very able PM and was not a fool. He understood the fact I am trying to state. In spite of all the reports of Subhramanium committee he still went for their was no other way. And Kargil would have happened anyway. His going or not going had nothing to do with it.
      It is not being about soft hearted. It is about being shrewd and keeping away from war in a strategic way so that out losses are minimal. No nation can afford war. Even US who prints the money for the whole world can't.

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    9. @PKJ when you are defending the undefendable just like our own MSM does then ofcourse you are a stooge a pseudo sickularists and when you are in an social platform when you write crap be ready to get some too people like you make India weak you just don't udnertsnd an old hindi proverb " BHAISH KE AAGE BIN BAJANA " pakistan is shit hole whre such shits live and therefore shld treated as they treat us simple..and please don't dare compare Israel..Israel is more self sufficient then any muslim shit country it doesn't need to contact its terrorist neighbour who on any chnce attack israel India shld learn frm Israel and teach pakistan a lesson

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    10. are you really tht dumb..you are in social platform and you keepin saying tht baseless meaningless pseudo sickluar talk and you expect everyone to be nice to you when you write and propagate filth you will get some too pakistan is hate filled war mongering nation India shld give a fitting reply to pakistan once we give the reply then we can talk of peace peacd with pakistan that shamelss country which copies and survives with hating India..der whole identity is to hate us..they shld be givena befittin reply the UPA govt who hv govt spinless coward and hv ur view point shld go to the border get der sons and daughetrs kileld and then we will see how the lieks of you talk of peace..u piece of pseudo sickular pakistani loving argumentative MSM idiot

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    11. @PKJ,
      Patriotism and Nationalism ka jaraa Hindi batana to, phir teri leta hoon.

      Aur beta tumhare apne vicharak mar gaye kya jo Gaule/Paule ka definition hamein sikha raha hai?

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  18. Dear Ravinar,

    Its sad & sickening how pseudo seculars never say never again when it comes to pakistan. Only someone with a mighty heart like Mr Modi would take these pseudos headon to make a lasting difference.
    Jab khudki pant gili ho to dusroki pant kaise bachaenge ye harami lok.

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  19. For any attempt of peace between India and Pak to happen, Pakistan must become a functioning democracy which is not the case now.Military/ISI must not have control over the govt.The govt should be elected in a free and fair process and be accountable to its people.Only such a situation will sane voices emerge from there. A failed democracy with so many splinter groups with arms like Taliban,Baluchis etc cannot be expected to act in a mature way. The current crop of leaders do not represent the common man they are plutocrats who are seeking control for their own benefits.
    Rather work on any negotiations with Pakistan we should directly or indirectly bring a functioning democracy there.

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    1. Hmm looks right .... just curious is ours is a functioning democracy ..... i think yes .... when compared to pak ....

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  20. Dear Ravinar,

    You are perfectly right. Are we dealing with humans or barbarians here? I would call them Rakshasas. Believe me, no Rakshasa will make peace with this Bharat.

    Our government's response is one of perfect impotence, if there is any such thing. These guys have no self-respect, no national pride, bloody rats. We need to learn something from the Israelis.

    Really, things are now crossing the limits.

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  21. Raising to burn candles in ar$$holes of Aman Ki Asha As$$$$$s. These psedo Hindus are supported by ISI and christian missionaries to destroy India, any thing Hindu. We need thousand Godse now to sort out these Ba$$$$$s and Bi$$$$s.

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    1. +1 ....
      we should stop saying India now .... directly I would like to recognize myself as hindu rather than Indian (bit late but I do now any way ) because what ever we think bad is being done to an "Indian" is actually being done to a "Hindu" with lot more precision

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  23. BUDDE JIDDIWALE PARTY(BJP) KABHIKI MARGAYA. THIS IS TIME FOR PEOPLE LIKE MODI,RAJTHACKERAY AND LIKEMINDED PEOPLE TO CREATE A POLITICAL PARTY SOLELY BASED ON HINDUISM AND FOR HINDUS ONLY. LET A FEW LAKHS OF INDIANS MAY DIE BUT NUKE THE PAKISTAN AND DESTROY IT ONCE FORALL.THERE IS NO OTHER WAY EXCEPT THAT, BUT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE WITH THE PRESENT RULING HIZDAS

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  24. The problem we have on our hands is:

    CORRUPT/CROOKED MEDIA, PAID MEDIA and DUMB Media.

    Look at this Hindu report:

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/police-trained-their-guns-on-us-say-dhule-victims/article4287681.ece
    Testimonies from the people raised doubts that the police had targeted Muslims, but the ADGP denied the charge.

    "An eyewitness, Abdul Rehman Shaikh, said: “The others were using stones. The police used bullets. Is that fair?”

    Check it out... The dumb media puts a dumb quote from a rioter/witness that police are fighting with guns where as the rioters are fighting with stones and how unfair it is. So what is "The Hindu" proposing? Should the police hand over guns to rioters or should police take to stones too?

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  25. We Indians and our ancestors make heroes out of noone. We allowed someone to wage a war 17 times. The history doesnt remember the 16 times he lost, it just remembers the 17 the time when he won. Why? The 16 times our foolish king didnt finish the job. The 17 th time when he won, he ensured there was no more contest.

    We had commited mistake even in Independent India. If we lose once to pakistan, I am sure we will cease to exist. History repeats itself. It is left to us to interpret the histpry and ensure we dont do the same mistake. This holds good for the new east india company

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    1. Absolutely right. No decisive action in Indo-Pak war too may be added here

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  26. There is a small typo in the link you provided for "Twenty yards of dead bodies". Please correct it.

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  27. Feel extremely sorry for the loss of soldiers. May departed souls rest in peace.

    However, the MSM's reaction to the incident looks to me as a ploy to divert attention from rape incident to Pakistan. Am I the only one who is seeing this or you are also seeing it?

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  28. Bang on, Ravi! You have the knack of bringing us to our senses and remind us of our duties! It is service to this nation.

    Pakistan is raring to inflict an injury on India as and when cued by the USA-China axis. It is not endowed with a sense of reason or practical wisdom as it is not an organized state. It is a political arrangement, run by a syndicate of conflicting groups – the rogue military(!), religious fanatics and black marketeers, hanging on together for survival. The recognition of Pakistan as a nation by the rest of the world – meaning USA and China, is to keep India under check. The European nations, begging for alms, can hardly have a say. USA and China are keeping Pakistan under their tight leash to intimidate and polarize Indian mood to US-China’s advantage, which the gullible Indians are more than willing to do under the effective supervision of the MSM India, servile to anti Indians.

    Breaking off from this trance, what should India do? Being paid merecenaries posing as a nation, Pakistan will keep on teasing India at every tug of its masters knowing fully well that India can ill afford a war. But, can India afford to keep mum for ever? We suffer from an overdeveloped sense of justice and fairness that we tend to patronize our Parliament attackers as state guests. Every Indian should realize that priceless lives, both military and civilian, are dispensed with in this political gimmick.

    May be for once, we can erupt in righteous indignation and deal a severe body blow to Pakistan to send a strong message across the globe. Remember how Israel lifted its citizens from Uganda attacking the Entebbe airport without bothering about international opinion. When condemned at the UN by the international community (including India, of course !) Israel did not mince its words. It maintained that it stopped at nothing when it came to defend its citizens and the nation's identity!

    To convey this strong message, Indians should unite and evolve as a nation, taking their minds off cricket grounds and TV sets. Till then, the efforts, sacrifices and lives of true India makers and India defenders are wasted in the desert air – unseen and unknown !

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  29. Ravi : As usual – high class – par for the course

    Us being soft is now visible everywhere, act of Maoists yesterday is a prime example of the same. Yesterday was seeing Newshour with Arnab. Arnab may not be able to talk much logic but manages to shout a lot at Pakistanis – his USP.

    I was once told by someone working in TimesNow during an informal chat that Arnab knows that his high decibel tamasha sells and gives TRP.

    @PKJ

    War should always be an option on the table. Till the time all options are exhausted, it should not be used, but should be on the table. I don’t know whether you believe in Sanatan Dharma philosophy but look at idols of our Gods and Goddesses. It will always have arms in one or two hands to signify strength.

    In Mahabharat, war was agreed after all possible options including settling for 5 villages were exhausted. But still war was an option and it should always remain. The other example is from Ramcharitmanas written by Tulsidas. When Lord Raam was praying to Sea God to give space for bridge, he had to pick up arms. A beautiful couplet reads “Vinay na maanat Jaldhi jad gaye teen din beet, bolay Raam sakop tab, bhay bin hoye na preet”

    Therefore with Pakistan, China or any other enemy internal or external, use of force should not be ruled out. If someone was trying to molest your wife / sister, will you be a silent spectator or fight with them.

    Same goes with Mother Land. Our concept of Nation is much different from the “enlightened” Western concepts.

    For us country is our Maa and if enemy attacks it, its our duty to give a fitting reply.

    Pakistani mentality or rather Arab mentality understands use of force much better rather than nuanced diplomacy or lectures.

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  30. India should have had an iron fist on that unreliable country after the terrible experience in the Kargil war but our leaders like Vajpayee and Advani had made movements in which they shared great sentiments with that rowdy nation.They had their mouth full of extolling for the Pakistan....i did have met some good Pakistanis in my life when i was in Dubai,but most of them are barbarians and keep a vengeance to us...i see it is the result of the politicization that play a crucial role between the two countries....education is just 26% is in that country and most of the people who hate India are fanatics who dont have even basic education or knowledge about the world...

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  31. [The one article that has honestly acknowledged peace with Pak is not possible for many reasons is by TheJaggi in Firstpost. He aptly titles it “We are fools: 6 things we need to realise about Pakistan]
    I completely agree with Jaggi when he says that Pakistan must have functioning democracy before we even think of talking to them.
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    In my opinion, Pakistan's politic is completely under control of Army, probably since its creation. The situation is same till date. There may be a rare few in political leadership (outside military) who really want good relations with Bharat, they have “no say” what so ever. for example, during AB's PM ship, Paki had Navaw Sharif there as PM. It looked like during that time Indo-pak relations were improving as Nawaz sherif was looking like a strong democretic power but It immediately turned out a delusion when Miyan Mushraff plotted Kargil and Nawaz Sharif's leadership was overthrown eventually. It is well known that AB had said Nawaz sharif over phone-"Aapane meri pith me chhura bhonka"

    Same way, today's Paki political leadership is also under Kayani and team (which includes Hafiz Said, Dawood Ibrahim, LeT, ISI etc...). Hina Rabbani and their political masters are just puppets. We even should not talk to them and Media should be banned to interview such people and give them any space on their show. With such a governance scenario of the “FAILED Nation”, we look so much of foolhardy as a Nation when we talk of bilateral relations, Farce such as AMA and mindless phony debates on NDTV, Times Now (Save Mahroof who should me made defense minister or foreign affair Minister if NaMo becomes PM) etc... When I see debates on NDTV and their blushing interviews with Paki counterparts, when I see Aman ka (Tama) Asha participated by pathetic ManiShankar Aiyar (if one sees his face first thing in the morning, he or she would be doomed for the day) and other filmy, fancy participants, my heart bleeds...Who will tell our GOB that you are a nation of a billion people. you can dictate terms to the whole world- you can put pressure on the entire politics of world as China and US does...please do not make a sick joke of entire nation infront of the whole world.
    Bharat must not speak to pakistan and should not have any relations with them. Neither deplomatic nor cultural. we must not attack them first but our reaction should be very severe and not lip service. Hell should break on GOB even one solder dies by Pakis or any terrorist outfit unprovoked and here we have unprovoked Mutilation, butchering of our soldiers like Goats. You are all "Sinners" yes...these are terrible Karmas, which will hound you in coming times and you'll have to pay for it. Many in Main Stream Media are Anti-nationals-proved beyond doubt. I eloquently say here that their Time is up!!! They are on their last leg. There is winds of change every where. There was Arab spring recently and in Bharat, there would be demolishing of all these anti-national forces. Pent-up FURSTRATIONS of millions of people are boiling up which would become a force in a decades time to destroy these desh-drohis.

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  32. We seem to running an employment exchange for Pakis.
    Send back cricket team.
    Send back TV actors.
    Send back realty show judges.
    Stop visa on arrival

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  33. It is easy to pick a fight, but much harder to resolve one. By saying that "peace with Pakistan" is not possible, you reveal yourself to be a violence seeking coward, who wants revenge not peace for all. You should be ashamed - all of you. It is because the British did not think that we were equal that Hindus were treated badly. You are now doing the same, you are not better. You are worse. War-mongers and fools.

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  34. Dear Mr Abhijeet Khanna, Fortunately theis blog is about Media & not about Love & sex with Pakistan. So stick to the subject.
    (I hope Khanna is your real name because as much as I know Khanna's are Khsatriyas & fierce).
    Now coming to your argument about how it easy it is to pick-up a fight, we are violence seeking cowards who want revenge, how we were treated badly by British, etc ... Seriously what's wrong with you my friend ??? Are you an ISI agent ??? Here we have been subjected to terrorism for past 30 years as a State sponsored agenda, innumerable bomb blasts, Hindu cleanising from Kashmir, complete Minority cleansing from Pakistan & Bangladesh, 3 wars with Pakistan in past 60 years, & instead we Hindus are war mongers & cowards ???? If we are shameful, then you are definately shameless.

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  35. Arnab on Aman ki Asha, when he was live on Times Now(Wrapping up Newshour): "I don't think poetry sessions and seminars can change Indo-Pak relations"

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